colin hawes | 08/04/2018 18:21:10 |
570 forum posts 18 photos | So apparently we will now need a licence to possess and use sulphuric acid brought about by the tendency of some of todays youth chucking it at people. I use it for quick cleaning copper quite often although I know there are other less satisfactory ways of preparing and cleaning copper. Colin |
David George 1 | 08/04/2018 18:27:48 |
2110 forum posts 565 photos | Hi Colin last week bought a container of brick cleaner. No problem and works great cleaning after silver soldering part. David |
MW | 08/04/2018 18:28:59 |
2052 forum posts 56 photos | Well theres always work arounds with chemistry right? Not only that but acetic acid, or vinegar should work pretty well enough for this. Michael W |
Brian H | 08/04/2018 20:01:12 |
2312 forum posts 112 photos | The suggestions to us battery acid seem reasonable enough if you can get it but don't be tempted to use old acid as it will be contaminated with lead and probably result in poor solder adhesion. Brian |
Mark Rand | 08/04/2018 20:05:01 |
1505 forum posts 56 photos | I tend to use heated citric acid (easy to obtain in the UK, but apparently marks you out as a drug manufacturer in the US) or nitric acid (apparently that makes me a terrorist)... |
SillyOldDuffer | 08/04/2018 20:05:05 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Just tried and failed to find an up-to-date statement on the position. But: It has been necessary to have a licence to buy Sulphuric Acid > 15% since 2015. 'From 1 July 2018, members of the public who want to acquire or import sulfuric acid above 15% weight by weight will also require an explosives precursors and poisons (EPP) licence.' This is nothing to do with youths throwing Drain Cleaner. More likely it's to make sure that acid users are fully aware that the material can be and is used to make illegal explosives. Terrorism. Dave |
fizzy | 08/04/2018 20:15:55 |
1860 forum posts 121 photos | You could buy conc H2SO4 through amazon last year but not now. Brick cleaner is Hydrochloric acid and I have yet to try it but im in dire need of 5 gallons so am ordering some now. I have several gallons of conc citric acid which I have found to be next to useless for my application (pickling boilers on a regular basis). |
pa4c pa4c | 08/04/2018 21:07:07 |
16 forum posts | Just to add to your woes, this from the Government Press Release today with regard to their tackling violence and knife crime (yes I know): The Home Office has also added sulphuric acid to the list of regulated explosives precursors that come under the Poisons Act 1972. This will mean that members of the public will require a licence to acquire, possess and use the substance.
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Neil Wyatt | 08/04/2018 21:39:48 |
19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | So every person in the UK who has a lead-acid battery in their car, burglar alarm, golf cart or mobility scooter will become a criminal on 1st July? I can see no exemption listed... |
richardandtracy | 09/04/2018 08:58:10 |
943 forum posts 10 photos | Good to see our glorious government has thought this through with all their usual thoroughness. Regards, Richard.
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Michael Gilligan | 09/04/2018 09:42:37 |
23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Neil Wyatt on 08/04/2018 21:39:48:
So every person in the UK who has a lead-acid battery in their car, burglar alarm, golf cart or mobility scooter will become a criminal on 1st July? I can see no exemption listed... . ... and yes, the concentration 'threshold' is specified: [quote] Amendments to Schedule 1A to the Act
2.—(1) In Part 1 of Schedule 1A to the Act (regulated explosives precursors)(4)—
(a)in column 1 of the table, at the end, insert—
(b)in column 2 of the table, at the end, insert—
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Source: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/cy/uksi/2018/451/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/cy/uksi/2018/451/made . MichaelG. . Edit: Here's the Guidance: Edited By Michael Gilligan on 09/04/2018 09:50:41 |
Samsaranda | 09/04/2018 10:02:46 |
1688 forum posts 16 photos | Checked the above reference gov.uk/ Poisons and it looks like if your rhubarb has a strong enough oxalic Acid content then it may be covered by the legislation concerning poisons! Dave W |
Russell Eberhardt | 09/04/2018 10:27:46 |
2785 forum posts 87 photos | No problems here. **LINK** 30 % sulphuric acid is still available in my local supermarket although they have moved it to the top shelf. Russell |
SillyOldDuffer | 09/04/2018 10:49:34 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by Samsaranda on 09/04/2018 10:02:46:
Checked the above reference gov.uk/ Poisons and it looks like if your rhubarb has a strong enough oxalic Acid content then it may be covered by the legislation concerning poisons! Dave W That's long been the case. Many plants are poisonous. Mostly we avoid the most dangerous ones, and know not to feed dogs chocolate. Fortunately rhubarb stalks don't contain much Oxalic Acid, most of it is in the leaves and we rarely eat any. Anyone think it shouldn't be illegal to process plants for the purpose of concentrating a poison? Often It's not difficult to extract poison from plant products. Beware angry chemists offering pie. In practice it is really hard to write laws preventing people extracting something really nasty like Ricin that don't also land heavily on innocent activities. What might be fun is to present the establishment with a really tough one. Hundreds of millions of addicts must have tobacco. Supply is regulated but big-profit commerce lobbies powerfully against further restrictions. It's also a very easy product to tax, and the government take is substantial. What would happen if terrorists started lacing food products with concentrated Nicotine obtained from legally bought tobacco? (Nicotine is very poisonous, smokers only get a tiny proportion of it when tobacco burns. ) Truth is governments can only control up to a point. It's possible to reduce the risk of Sulphuric Acid being misused, so they have. Prevention is always better than cure. But there are many, many other misuses where politicians either pass token legislation or kick the can down the road. I'm not entirely unsympathetic: you can't ban knives outright because everyone needs them. Dave
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Michael Gilligan | 09/04/2018 11:06:11 |
23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 09/04/2018 10:27:46:
No problems here. **LINK** 30 % sulphuric acid is still available in my local supermarket although they have moved it to the top shelf. Russell . I hope the bottles are rated for a 2 metre drop !! MichaelG. |
Russell Eberhardt | 09/04/2018 12:57:38 |
2785 forum posts 87 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 09/04/2018 11:06:11:
I hope the bottles are rated for a 2 metre drop !! No problem, the French being shorter than the English the top shelf is usually only 1.8 m! Russell |
MW | 09/04/2018 13:12:45 |
2052 forum posts 56 photos | Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 09/04/2018 10:49:34:
Posted by Samsaranda on 09/04/2018 10:02:46:
Checked the above reference gov.uk/ Poisons and it looks like if your rhubarb has a strong enough oxalic Acid content then it may be covered by the legislation concerning poisons! Dave W Truth is governments can only control up to a point. It's possible to reduce the risk of Sulphuric Acid being misused, so they have. Prevention is always better than cure. But there are many, many other misuses where politicians either pass token legislation or kick the can down the road. I'm not entirely unsympathetic: you can't ban knives outright because everyone needs them. Dave It's an age old truth that any tool can be used and abused. And what people can do about this has to be met with a sense of proportion and obviously keep people safe. It has already gotten out of hand. Michael W
Edited By Michael-w on 09/04/2018 13:13:41 |
Bazyle | 09/04/2018 13:22:14 |
6956 forum posts 229 photos | I bought some milk yesterday in the supermarket but what recipe needs sulphuric acid such that it is stocked along with coffee and sugar? Something like brick cleaner being available in B&Q is understandable but in Asda? (where some stores in the westcountry don't even stock lime pickle) |
Michael Gilligan | 09/04/2018 14:40:04 |
23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 09/04/2018 12:57:38:
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 09/04/2018 11:06:11:
I hope the bottles are rated for a 2 metre drop !! No problem, the French being shorter than the English the top shelf is usually only 1.8 m! Russell |
Brian H | 09/04/2018 15:08:01 |
2312 forum posts 112 photos | Has anyone actually tried to apply for a license for a small amount? And who do you apply to? Brian |
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