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Model Engineers Workshop Lost The Plot

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Watford10/06/2017 18:27:58
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Pistols at dawn. Has it finally come to that?

Meanwhile edition 256 is another splendid issue. What a particularly well-writen piece is the first part of the methodology for building a flute, together with some of the pitfalls and a lot of the background.

Never mind the typos Neil, just keep up with the current quality of the magazine. smiley

Mike

Alistair Grant 410/06/2017 19:07:31
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/06/2017 18:20:22:

On second thoughts, chocolate and flowers are far more appropriate. Not to put too fine a point on it, the individual in question is, it may surprise you to learn, one whom your present interlocutor is in the habit of defining by means of the perpendicular pronoun.

Dave
Yes Minister !
Though your last sentence may not be too well understood by those who are not familiar with Sir Humphry's turn of phrase

Nice light humour for a change from the insults being bandied about earlier in the thread.

Robbo10/06/2017 19:28:39
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Would somebody please put David's Teddy back in his pram.

John Flack10/06/2017 20:15:17
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Jason B ......just why should there be errors in submitted work? If someone submits work and receives payment part of which is paid for by the subscriber surely an accurate and error free manuscript is a minimum requirement

What information do you have that the cover price would double, have you invented this cost?

Have you even made a enquiry to anybody as to whether subscribers would be willing to pay more for an 'error free' magazine?

Given the cost of setting up a workshop and the cost of materials, plus a modest calculation for depreciation on your expenditure over a period, doubling the cost the cover price would be almost insignificant.

John

jason udall10/06/2017 20:23:19
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I for one care more about content than typos.
mike T10/06/2017 20:24:28
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And there are some who want to continue this slanging match.

Not the most friendly forum is it?

John Stevenson10/06/2017 20:27:01
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John Flack, further down the page is a thread called MEW253 Darryl Conway

Take a read of that post or article and tell me if you were editor, could you proof read this?
Meunier10/06/2017 20:41:01
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Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/06/2017 18:20:22:

'Coffee Cup Sterling'. well...the base looked silver to me.

Daved

JasonB10/06/2017 20:41:21
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Posted by John Flack on 10/06/2017 20:15:17:

Jason B ......just why should there be errors in submitted work? If someone submits work and receives payment part of which is paid for by the subscriber surely an accurate and error free manuscript is a minimum requirement

Why, well because we live in the real world. Having been involved with helping the editors on several occasions trying to sort out errors and anomoiles in submitted work I actually know what comes in and it ain't perfect.

What information do you have that the cover price would double, have you invented this cost?

Plucked it out of thin air, expect it would actually be more. Gone are the days when ME could support a full time staff of several people plus those who were almost commisioned to write for the mag.

Have you even made a enquiry to anybody as to whether subscribers would be willing to pay more for an 'error free' magazine?

Going by the moans when we have had price increases in the past there is really no need to make enquiries. The majority of the model engineering fraternity are known to have short arms and long pockets.

Given the cost of setting up a workshop and the cost of materials, plus a modest calculation for depreciation on your expenditure over a period, doubling the cost the cover price would be almost insignificant.

Agreed but you would not think it when price increases are mentioned or something is cut back

John

My comments in bold .J

Andrew Johnston10/06/2017 21:38:11
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Posted by John Flack on 10/06/2017 20:15:17:

Jason B ......just why should there be errors in submitted work? If someone submits work and receives payment part of which is paid for by the subscriber surely an accurate and error free manuscript is a minimum requirement

Have you ever written anything for MEW or ME?

I got issue 256 of MEW this morning, but didn't open it as I was heading for the gliding club to fly the big glider. Having now skimmed it I see that I have a short article in it. While I do my best to eliminate errors using a spell checker and by proof reading, both on screen and paper copy, there is always a chance that an error will sneak through. All one can do is to minimise the chances.

Andrew

Neil Wyatt10/06/2017 21:48:18
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I'm sure David is right.

angel

Neil

John Stevenson10/06/2017 21:50:55
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Well he always was before.
richardandtracy10/06/2017 21:58:22
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I do so wish I was perfect. Then I could criticise everyone I want to. Until I reach that state, I'll get someone else to check all my work, and bite my tongue.

Regards

Richard.

Raymond Sanderson 211/06/2017 00:03:59
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Ah the life of an editor only a club bulletin and even there the ex-editor whinged and whine about me changing the logo' he created tens years previous. The fact I added colour and updated it didn't matter. The new and updated sponsor adds used also 10 years old replaced he didn't understand why they needed to be LOL something about the sponsors were getting requests for machines at those prices i told him.

Producing brochures for tour company they brought in a proof reader at great expense to cut printing costs by cutting words a friend of the CEO's. I reproduced the rough copy and printed it out handed it to CEO to read. After his long weekend off he stormed in asking what this crap was?? I told him its already at the printers devil like he signed off on. he was on the phone to the proof reader in seconds. That was the end of her $$$ paid job.wink

Oh I had to other bosses between me and CEO who also proof read each.

clivel11/06/2017 01:01:37
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Posted by John Flack on 10/06/2017 20:15:17:

Jason B ......just why should there be errors in submitted work? If someone submits work and receives payment part of which is paid for by the subscriber surely an accurate and error free manuscript is a minimum requirement

John

With the best will in the world humans are fallible. That is why software has bugs, airplanes crash and I occasionally have burnt toast with my breakfast.

Error free just does not exist within the human realm, the best we can hope for is to minimise errors, and in the case of a magazine, I expect that this task falls on the editor.
Given unlimited time and resources I have no doubt that Neil could put out a 99.9% error free MEW. Unfortunately, like many things in life, compromises are necessary. The publishers are likely acutely aware of just how far they can push the buying public before alienating enough readers to no longer make the magazine cost effective especially given just how much print media has suffered in the Internet age.

Besides which even the expensive £15 an issue peer reviewed professional journals sometimes get it wrong. viz. the 1997 article in the prestigious medical journal "The Lancet" which erroneously linked MMR vaccinations to autism and single handedly triggered a major reoccurrence of some not too insignificant childhood diseases.

At the end of the day when it comes down to it, one really has to accept that MEW is a magazine written by hobbyists for hobbyists and to simply enjoy it for what it is.

Clive

 

Edited By clivel on 11/06/2017 01:03:23

John Stevenson11/06/2017 04:57:20
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That last remark is brilliant Clive and sums it up brilliantly

As an aside I'm doing an article for Neil at the moment. It was actually started some years ago and has been a work in progress. I use Word and rely on the spell and grammar checker a lot.
Recently I gave a copy to the Delectable Dr Debs who is also a Professor and has spent her working life in avionics research so report writing is a doddle to her and she also understands the subject.
However when I got the article back, fully corrected for spelling and grammar it doesn't say what I want it to mean
jimmy b11/06/2017 05:54:43
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Lost the plot?

You probably have. Or been on the mardy nuts

I.M. OUTAHERE11/06/2017 07:02:00
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👍 Clive !

Couldn't have said it better myself .

A few errors here and there just adds character to the magazine and reminds me of the fact that MEW is a magazine that is edited by a fellow model engineer not a professional editorial team .

Ian .

Edited By XD 351 on 11/06/2017 07:03:43

MW11/06/2017 07:29:12
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Posted by XD 351 on 11/06/2017 07:02:00:

that MEW is a magazine that is edited by a fellow model engineer not a professional editorial team .

Ian .

Or a very good reminder that were all human, who would grudge somebody this when we all make mistakes and a pretty harmless one at that?

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Hopper11/06/2017 07:46:44
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I'm so glad I don't work in the publishing industry anymore. I get to putter about in my shed and if I make a cock up nobody need ever know about it. I just quietly do it over again, when I feel like it. Luverly

I think Mark Twain summed it up well when it comes to the joys of editorship: "I am not the editor of a newspaper and shall always try to do right and be good so that God will not make me one."

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