Former Member | 29/01/2021 15:07:06 |
1085 forum posts | [This posting has been removed] |
Brian H | 29/01/2021 15:10:19 |
![]() 2312 forum posts 112 photos | I would say yes but it can sometimes be difficult to get the correct scale size for a model unless you make your own. Brian |
mechman48 | 29/01/2021 15:17:16 |
![]() 2947 forum posts 468 photos | Usually yes; unless you use flanged nuts. Geo. |
Michael Gilligan | 29/01/2021 15:17:44 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by br on 29/01/2021 15:07:06:
Should washers ALWAYS ? be fitted under nuts ?
. No ... Sometimes the nut is captive [in a suitably shaped recess] and the washer is then much more useful under the head of the bolt. MichaelG. |
Andrew Johnston | 29/01/2021 15:24:24 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | No; in the photos I have of full size Burrell SCC traction engines almost none of the nuts have washers underneath them. Andrew |
gary | 29/01/2021 15:33:26 |
164 forum posts 37 photos | no. but they stop your paint from damage when tightening up. |
john fletcher 1 | 29/01/2021 15:33:52 |
893 forum posts | Under which bit rotates, we were told and I've stuck with it. John |
Russell Eberhardt | 29/01/2021 15:34:42 |
![]() 2785 forum posts 87 photos | There are some circumstances ahere a washer should NOT be used. For example, if both the bolt and the surface it's fitted to are hardened an normal soft washer will reduce the reliability. Russell |
Emgee | 29/01/2021 15:34:47 |
2610 forum posts 312 photos | Certainly if material being fixed is likely to be damaged by the nut, damage can be reduced if the hex is turned off at the point of contact but I prefer a washer to spread the load. Emgee |
not done it yet | 29/01/2021 16:26:57 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Should washers ALWAYS ? be fitted under nuts or not? Simple answer to the OP’s simple question is No. |
Nicholas Farr | 29/01/2021 16:35:08 |
![]() 3988 forum posts 1799 photos | Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 29/01/2021 15:34:42:
There are some circumstances ahere a washer should NOT be used. For example, if both the bolt and the surface it's fitted to are hardened an normal soft washer will reduce the reliability. Russell Hi Russell, but you can get hardened washers. Generally, you don't have to have any washers at all, if you don't want them, but if you are bolting a thin sheet to a thicker section it would be advisable to have a washer in most cases, on top of the thin sheet, whether it's the head of the bolt or the nut. Personally, I like to have them under both head and nut in most situations where it is possible. In structural steelwork it is common to see them on both sides, as the holes are very often bigger, mainly for easy erection and small adjustments. Regards Nick. |
Former Member | 29/01/2021 20:03:02 |
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Andrew Johnston | 29/01/2021 20:51:16 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | I'd rather be wrong than wright. Andrew |
Pat Wright 1 | 29/01/2021 21:19:37 |
13 forum posts | I'd rather be wright than wrong. Pat |
not done it yet | 29/01/2021 21:27:45 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Do two Wrights make a Wrong?🙂 |
Pat Wright 1 | 29/01/2021 21:40:06 |
13 forum posts | No. Two wright's made 3 more wright's. Pat |
Nicholas Farr | 29/01/2021 22:29:40 |
![]() 3988 forum posts 1799 photos | Hi, well that should be all wright then! right! or is that wrong also. Regards Nick. |
Mike Hurley | 30/01/2021 11:18:36 |
530 forum posts 89 photos | Personally I tend to use washers most of the time for stuff I'm making, just feel they give a better 'fit' to things. If you study the vast majority of early industrial / victorian engineering they never seemed to use them. Was this because of the extra cost or just considered unecessary? When did they start to become in regular use, and was it one of these trends that started perhaps in America and spread over here or vice versa? Have often wondered. Regards |
Mick B1 | 30/01/2021 11:40:54 |
2444 forum posts 139 photos | I'd rather chew up a sacrificial component than a spotface, and I'd rather spread the compressive load there and at the bolt end as well, so my default position is to use them at both ends. Unless otherwise prompted by other tech considerations, shortage or laziness. |
SillyOldDuffer | 30/01/2021 12:12:28 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by Mike Hurley on 30/01/2021 11:18:36:
Personally I tend to use washers most of the time for stuff I'm making, just feel they give a better 'fit' to things. If you study the vast majority of early industrial / victorian engineering they never seemed to use them. Was this because of the extra cost or just considered unecessary? When did they start to become in regular use, and was it one of these trends that started perhaps in America and spread over here or vice versa? Have often wondered. Regards Intrigued by the why washers question I went through my collection of Engineering Books in hope of finding an explanation. Nope! Instead I found inconsistencies. Drawings sometimes show washers and sometimes not. There's a British Standard covering metric washers but it concerns itself only with dimensions. BS metric washer can be made of almost anything ranging from plastic to hardened steel. Brass and mild-steel seem popular. None of my books explain anything, but I suggest 6 reasons for fitting plain washers:
Another mystery my books don't answer is thread angles. Metric and American bolts are both 60°, Whitworth is 55°, Lowenherz 53.1333°, and Thury and BA are 47.5°. Just guessing, but within the range of practical thread angles I think 60° provides the strongest thread, whilst the weaker 47.5° angle provides higher friction and is less likely to come undone. Does anyone know the actual answer? Dave
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