ady | 25/11/2010 00:45:00 |
612 forum posts 50 photos | P.1127 takes its final bow. A formation of Harrier
jump jets has made its final journey from HMS Ark Royal - the last such
flight from a UK aircraft carrier for about 10 years.
The four GR9 jets marked the end of an era when they roared off the deck near North Shields, North Tyneside. Both the Ark Royal and the Harriers are being scrapped under cost-saving plans. The Harriers, heading to RAF Cottesmore in Rutland, will be decommissioned in 2011 and replaced by the F35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft. The Ark Royal was sailing across the North Sea to Hamburg in Germany. Lt Cdr James Blackmore, who was the last Harrier pilot to leave, said he was immensely proud. 'Emotional moment' "It is amazing. I watched a Harrier hovering over Chatham dockyard when I was eight years old and I am now fortunate enough to be flying the Harrier today," he said. "It's an amazing aircraft, superb to fly and just very enjoyable."
Continue reading the main story “Start QuoteEnd Quote PO Andrew Collins The crew of the 22,000-tonne Ark Royal, which has seen active service in the Balkans and 2003 invasion of Iraq, lined the decks to watch the historic departure. Captain Jerry Kyd said there was a tear in his eye when the last Harrier left. "It was an emotional moment and also one of real pride as we look back over 25 years service to Queen and country," he said. "No naval officer wants to see any ship decommissioned early and she is a fine vessel and she has a fine history. "She is at the peak of her efficiency but one understands that very difficult decisions have to be made across government." One senior officer described the decision to scrap both the jets and carrier as "madness". Petty Officer Andrew Collins, 26, from Glasgow, said: "HMS Ark Royal is like the girlfriend you hate and you only realise you loved her when she has binned you." And Petty Officer David Terracciano, 31, from Portsmouth, added he was "gutted". The Ark Royal - the Royal Navy's flagship - will eventually head back to her Portsmouth base on 3 December. It will be replaced by the Queen Elizabeth class of aircraft carrier at the end of the decade, which will carry F35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft. A group of former Royal Navy admirals have
suggested scrapping the Harrier force and HMS Ark Royal could leave the
Falklands open to attack - a claim denied by ministers who insist the
UK will still be able to defend the islands. |
ady | 25/11/2010 00:50:46 |
612 forum posts 50 photos | The gear I have: A Drummond from 1944, probbly destined for the Royal Navy, and a Pultra from the 1960s Engish Electric Thunderbird missile program. Most of the old Brit gear wouldn't have existed without the military pushing the boat out. Edited By ady on 25/11/2010 00:51:24 |
ady | 25/11/2010 01:28:43 |
612 forum posts 50 photos | oh yeh p.1121 got canned by the tories as well. Who needs communists to wreck a country, when you have the tory party to do the job for them. P.1121 is my poster child. The last vestiges of the P.XXXX era people produced Concorde in the 1960s...and we aint done diddly since then. All we do now is squawk like girlies, 'cos our country is run by girlies. Edited By ady on 25/11/2010 01:47:24 |
Fred Miller | 25/11/2010 06:17:48 |
19 forum posts | Thanks Ady for your thread. It's a sorry thing to hear of the end of the Harriers, Done my apprentiship at Hawkers at Kingstone and then at the Richmond rd. factory 1954-1961. in the 1960-61 time I worked with the experimental section on a Ward 7 combination turret lathe, making parts for the P1127. After sailing to Australia I followed the life of the Harriers the best I could.
I like your political comments it is much the same here "bloody conservatives".
Fred. |
Andrew Johnston | 25/11/2010 08:48:51 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | Ah, but who cancelled the TSR2? Regards, Andrew |
Steve Garnett | 25/11/2010 09:25:39 |
837 forum posts 27 photos | Well, the communists don't figure in this, and neither do the Liberals, but honours are spread between the rest pretty evenly. But you should be careful with Concorde comments - what happened there was a classic labour misunderstanding of how this country really worked by a labour government minister (A.W-B). He refused to put any money back into Beagle, simply on the grounds that he wanted to funnel all available funding into Concorde, and single-handedly trashed the remains of Britain's light plane industry - which up to that point had sold more planes than the Concorde operation had. Come to that, if they just sold one plane, it would have been more than that operation ever did! So ady, please don't just blame the Tories. Because, as I've mentioned before, it's an article of faith amongst the whole of the chattering classes (politicians, etc) that any form of engineering is essentially to be frowned upon, and is something best not talked about - or encouraged. It was ever thus, in fact - right back to the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution. |
David Clark 1 | 25/11/2010 09:42:43 |
![]() 3357 forum posts 112 photos 10 articles | Hi There
Beagle is still making spares for planes.
I worked for them for a while a few years ago.
At least they survived.
regards David
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Ian S C | 25/11/2010 09:50:54 |
![]() 7468 forum posts 230 photos | Sounds like your lots' as mad as ours, anyone want an Aermacchi trainer or a A-4K Skyhawk, there are 17 of each at RNZAF Woodbourne,awaiting buyers, been there since the combat side of the air force was disbanded.
there is one Harrier in a museum just a few miles away.
I can remember when the last Ark Royal was decommisioned, there wern't going to be any more aircraft carriers in the RN.
Are the USMC still using Harriers?Ian S C |
KWIL | 25/11/2010 10:44:11 |
3681 forum posts 70 photos | The real problem is that the Credit Card has been overused and the money has run out, again. |
V8Eng | 25/11/2010 11:05:52 |
1826 forum posts 1 photos | Kwil.
It's not just countries that have this problem, it usually happens to me after a visit to one of the ME exhibitions.
![]() Edited By V8Eng on 25/11/2010 11:10:55 |
Ramon Wilson | 25/11/2010 16:11:32 |
![]() 1655 forum posts 617 photos | Most cryptic V8Eng but how true.
Near fifty years ago, in Sept 1962, as a young seventeen year old I saw the P1127 complete with big yellow P in a circle on its fuselage perform in front of a large gathering of 'Brass' assembled around the control tower veranda at RAF Abingdon . It's been quite an 'institution' since, so how sad to see it's demise at the hands of those who profess to have our country's Defence needs at their heart.
I try very hard not to do politics in modelling but having seen the headlines on one particular paper today and the comments from various high ranking military sources I feel this is a bad day for us - just like as someone has already mentioned - the scrapping of TSR-2, though different circumstances I agree
Enough - back to the workshop and focus on the real world (well mine that is
![]() Ramon |
Tony Pratt 1 | 25/11/2010 16:42:07 |
2319 forum posts 13 photos | The Conservatives have been left an almighty mess by someone else and it needs to be cleaned up. But I still can't understand where we are getting £10 billion to give to the Irish when there "simply wasn't £80 million" to lend to Sheffield forgemasters, politicians are so short sighted unless they are looking to get themselves on the gravy train!
Tony |
Steve Garnett | 25/11/2010 18:26:48 |
837 forum posts 27 photos | Posted by David Clark 1 on 25/11/2010 09:42:43: Hi There Beagle is still making spares for planes. I worked for them for a while a few years ago. At least they survived. Well somebody must have reformed the company then, because at the time the government, who had bought the company from Pressed Steel and initially helped, put it into receivership and the assets were sold. The company had been renamed as Beagle Aircraft (1969) Limited at that stage, but the receiver could attract no buyers. |
David Clark 1 | 25/11/2010 19:19:14 |
![]() 3357 forum posts 112 photos 10 articles | Hi There
Google Beagle Christchurch.
regards David
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Stub Mandrel | 25/11/2010 21:07:43 |
![]() 4318 forum posts 291 photos 1 articles | R.I.P. Harrier? I bet they keep a few with the green godesses just in case things get sticky in Los Islas Malvinas again. Was it really 25 years ago?! Neil |
ady | 25/11/2010 21:17:52 |
612 forum posts 50 photos | I bet they keep a few with the green godesses All the green godesses have been flogged off, most went to Africa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Goddess Local authorities have to make their own arrangements now, which I presume means rent or hire fire engines from someone. |
Terryd | 26/11/2010 12:17:32 |
![]() 1946 forum posts 179 photos | While we're on the subject, Don't forget the APT which I used to watch in fascination as it sped past on the test track from Holwell to Old Dalby. That helped to destroy the rail manufacturing industry at the same time as steelmaking, mining and engineering, all in the same decade. Now we have to buy the Pendolino from the Italians and carriages from Romania plus other locos from Canada. T |
Gordon A | 28/11/2010 23:21:46 |
157 forum posts 4 photos | I once heard a story about the APT. Apparently it would make passengers feel sick, but only in daylight ! According to the story, the tilt mechanism was so good that during daylight the train could be seen to be tilting by those on board, but there was no tilt sensation from the balance receptors in the inner ear, hence a feeling of nausea. This of course did not happen in the dark. Believe it if you will ! I still however believe that we are (or were) a great nation of innovation....just cr*p at turning it to our advantage! |
Terryd | 29/11/2010 07:15:22 |
![]() 1946 forum posts 179 photos | Posted by Gordon A on 28/11/2010 23:21:46: I once heard a story about the APT. Apparently it would make passengers feel sick, but only in daylight ! According to the story, the tilt mechanism was so good that during daylight the train could be seen to be tilting by those on board, but there was no tilt sensation from the balance receptors in the inner ear, hence a feeling of nausea. This of course did not happen in the dark. Believe it if you will ! Hi Gordon, That's a nice apocryphal story but unfortunately is not quite accurate, it's the result of 'Chinese Whispers'. What actually happened was basically a public relations disaster. On the inaugural publicity journey, the train was filled with dignitaries and press members. The first stage of the journey was a success but on the return, the tilting mechanism failed leading to a very uncomfortable ride as the bogies were not designed for conventional use. As the train no longer tilted, the ride around bends was very uncomfortable and food and drinks slid off tables etc. Many of the esteemed passengers did indeed feel ill after this but whether it was the ride, which was a bit rough with the tilt mechanism disabled or the copious amount of food and especially alcoholic beverage served, is debatable but the British press, being what it is, christened the train 'Queasy Rider'. In practice, when in service the train was quite successful but like many British innovations, needed more development but cash was not available. The press also continued to try to poke fun at the train, but a passenger of the rain from Glasgow to London, in his reminiscences said that on arrival in london: "A number of passengers were interviewed by
the media who seemed concerned about our state of health. They
were most disappointed when everyone said they had enjoyed the
run and were not suffering from 'sea-sickness'." (Ian Johnson, 7/12/81). The capitalisation for the development of the APT was £47 million whereas the TGV in France cost £1000 million in development, approximately in parallel with the APT. As you so rightly say Gordon, "......we are (or were) a great nation of innovation....just cr*p at turning it to our advantage!". In the UK the bean counters usually win. Terry |
Ian S C | 29/11/2010 11:05:19 |
![]() 7468 forum posts 230 photos | Just look at the early 30s when Douglas was putting out the DC-2/ DC-3, and Handley-Page were building there biplanes. British industry asked the airlines what the wanted, and the built a few planes for a particular route. The Americans built the aircraft and got the airlines to buy them, they had a hard job keeping up with sales, Its still nice to hear the R-1830s of a DC-3 that flies in my area of the country. Ian S C |
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