Here is a list of all the postings Terryd has made in our forums. Click on a thread name to jump to the thread.
Thread: Gas burner for steam plant |
29/09/2022 13:22:56 |
Thanks Noel, I appreciate the time it takes to write these texts in the context of a busy day. I now intend to make the jet easily removeable so that I can experiment with a range of nozzles. I do have a mig welder so have a range of tips to try if I can't get the range of jets I need. I also have a number of calor gas jets of various diameters which came with a gas hob, I know that they are perhaps larger than i need but it may be worth a try for experimentation. Thanks for the heads up on the straight run before the nozzle, it makes sense to help remove turbulence. Do you know if your 15x suggestion is a minimum, can it be more, or a standard i.e. no more, no less? I did some contract design work many years ago with a company, Wellman Incandescent, on gas fired tunnel kilns but was concerned only on the construction design, we had a qualified gas engineer who designed the gas flows etc. Regards TerryD |
29/09/2022 05:29:22 |
Posted by noel shelley on 28/09/2022 14:48:13:
The jet size and gas pressure not only govern the volume of gas ! Another criteria is the speed of the gas and it's abillity to entrain/mix with air and burn. This is an interesting balancing act ! A book on the subject is "gas burners for forges,furnaces and kilns" Though for much larger burners than you have in mind it gives and insight into the design. Also Chris Chastain s book on gas fired smelting furnaces. Noel. Hi Noel, Thanks for adding more information , I'm beginning to see through the fog, but it hasn't cleared completely The only book I can find related to the second one you mention is by Steve and Stephen D Chastain, - 'Small Tilting Oil Fired Furnaces'. Do you have a link to the one you referred to? The first one you mention is availble on Amazon pre-owned for £93 so I intend to forego that one, I might see if my local library can access a copy or pop into the British Library next time I'm down there. Regards TerryD |
28/09/2022 14:33:54 |
Posted by JasonB on 28/09/2022 10:31:17:
You could always make your own, this is 0.3mm for a hot tube engines main gas supply, the one that heats the tube is even smaller at 0.07mm but I did not atemp that as I can't even see it on the Sivert jet.
Hi Jason, I've made similar nozzles before for my 3d printer I constructed a long time ago. Those nozzles were in aluminium. As I have no sensitive feed device on my tailstock, to hold the drill I used a small pin vice which was in turn carried with a sliding fit in the tailstock chuck ( hope that makes sense) and was able to feed sensitively by manually feeding the drill with vice held loosely held in my fingers and drill guided by the shaft in the chuck. Talking about that gives me an idea. I have a couple of miniature chucks somewhere, very nice they are, which I could attach to a spindle of say silver steel in order to do the same job. Hmmm I'll think that one through and perhaps put something together to act as a sensitive, hand held drilling device for very small holes - although not down to 0.07mm Regards TerryD Edited By Terryd on 28/09/2022 14:36:53 |
28/09/2022 13:50:28 |
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 28/09/2022 09:53:23:
Welcome to the wonderful world of Gauge Size numbers. They're deeply confusing. They were conceived in the first half of the Industrial Revolution before the need for full standardisation was accepted. Almost every trade and many individual companies created their own system of gauge measure and there isn't much consistency between them. Old engineering reference books are full of different Gauge tables: back in the day it was a huge mess, and despite much tidying up Gauges still have to be approached with caution today. Electric motors can be rewound with a choice of American Wire Gauge, Standard Wire Gauge or Metric magnet wire. Metric is simpler because it's the actual wire diameter in millimeters, but AWG and SWG are less rational. Gas jets suffer the same problem - they're an old technology, identified using ye olde gauge numbers, or metric. The jet size does matter, usually. The ratio of air to gas is important so the size of the jet depends on the type of gas being burnt, the size of the combustion chamber, and the size of the air-input. If too much gas is in the mix, the flame either won't ignite at all, or burns smokey yellow, producing low heat and poisonous Carbon Monoxide. If too much air is in the mix, either the flame won't ignite, or a large proportion of it's energy is wasted heating excess air which then disappears up the chimney. To get reasonable efficiency the mix, combustion chamber and heating surface have to be balanced, and the mix is also a balance. However, a poor design that would be completely unacceptable on a central heating boiler, might well be 'good enough' for a small model steam boiler. If inefficiently burnt gas heats faster than meths the owner will probably be happy! One thing to watch is that gas flames are considerably hotter than spirit burners and if a concentrated gas flame is played on a small part of the boiler, it might put more heat into the metal than the water is able to to remove by boiling. This could cause the boiler to fail by softening the metal, or maybe melting a nearby soldered joint. (Spirit fired boilers don't expect gas flames and might use soldered joints. Gas and coal boilers are stayed, brazed and dimensioned to take the heat.) I would guess a small combustion chamber would need a small jet, or several small jets, rather than one big one - for mixing. Dave Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 28/09/2022 09:54:58 Hi Dave, Thanks for that explanation it starts to reduce the fog to a mist. I can see the simplified theory of gas to air ratio but if you have a gas jet that is a bit oversize surely you can regulate that by varying the gas flow and the Bunsen style air control on a burner? At the moment I'm considering a ceramic style burner using the standard gas fire radiant which should with the right distribution of gas create a less focussed heat source. As for the boiler construction the Stuart 504 it is intended for seems to be well constructed and there are many types of gas burner on sale including Stuart ones to replace the original meths burners so it should not be a problem. My own boilers which I have constructed so far are basically pot boilers with no external boiler tubes (although I might get a bit more adventurous) silver soldered with Easy Flo or equivalent so I think that they should be ok. I also thought that perhaps gas jet sizes were related to an older standard such as number drills or wire gauges but wire gauges get smaller as the number increases while the opposite is true of gas jets i.e. from memory in SWG 10g is 1/8th " while 16g is 1/16th" and 21g is 1/32nd". not sure about AWG or BWG but I think that they approximate having used AWG electrical wire in the past. In the case of number drills they do not seem to relate to older jet sizes, again diameter is inverse to number. I find it all quite confusing hence my decision to stick to metric where there is direct correlation between size and number - my simple mind can understand that much at least
Regards TerryD Edited By Terryd on 28/09/2022 13:52:54 |
28/09/2022 09:26:27 |
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 28/09/2022 07:55:33:
That ebay link that you posted, Terryd, usefully describes the jet quite explicitly and perhaps even better … the Seller invites correspondence. If anyone can clarify the muddle, I suspect it will be him. MichaelG.
As well as saying I'm staying with metric I really should have given a reason. It seems to me that a number which is related to the actual size seems more logical. But who am I to say? TerryD |
28/09/2022 08:46:07 |
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 28/09/2022 07:55:33:
That ebay link that you posted, Terryd, usefully describes the jet quite explicitly and perhaps even better … the Seller invites correspondence. If anyone can clarify the muddle, I suspect it will be him. MichaelG. Hi Michael, Thanks for the posting, I did some more digging and decided to go metric, I only use imperial when necessary such as working on Stuart models, even then as my machines are metric I have to translate which is not a problem as i had to do a lot of that in my early engineering career when the uK was entering the modern world I'm not really sure that the jet size matters that much as long as they are not too small as the gas flow can be controlled by the regulator valve surely? I don't really understand being a tyro in this part of the hobby, I've generally used spirit (meths) burners or gas poker burners in the past. Regards TerryD |
27/09/2022 16:48:02 |
Posted by JasonB on 27/09/2022 13:26:50:
Yours are metric ones hence the M6 x 0.75 thread, the ones from Forrest etc are the older imperial, though some will say BA is metric So you are saying that there are a number of standards, is there a different ANSI one? Is there a data chart on the Imperial ones, I seem to get some conflicting results when searching. I tried HMEM but any links I could find are now defunct and most charts are concerned with gas consumption rather than size and I'm no gas engineer, when designing blast furnace equipment our blast valve orifices were measured in feet not mm Regards TerryD Edited By Terryd on 27/09/2022 16:48:37 |
27/09/2022 13:07:09 |
There appears to be a lot of confusion in the case of burner jets, I'm confused. I'm building a similar steam plant using a Stuart 504 boiler intended to drive a Stuart beam engine. and eventually a 10V and 10H (not at the same time). I see that above is recommended a # 16 which is said to be drilled to 0.35mm However looking at eBay again I see a lot of listings where the number is directly related to the hole diameter, e.g. a #20 is 0.2mm dia, a #15 is 0.15 mm dia and a #73 (at random) is 0.73mm dia. Here is an example. Are there a number of standards? is the latter I mentioned perhaps a European standard? As I said, I'm confused. TerryD Edited By Terryd on 27/09/2022 13:08:08 |
Thread: What thread |
25/09/2022 12:18:24 |
Hi alI, hope that I'm not jijacking this thread, forgive me if I am. I need to know what threads are in the various bushes on a Stuart Turner 504 boiler. I'm not sure if the modern Stuart version has the same threads as the older ST one, perhaps someone could enlighten me? Best regards TerryD |
Thread: Small internal threading tool |
25/09/2022 12:11:53 |
Hi, M10 x 1 are available on Tracy tools for £5 - cheaper than set of boring bars for a one off, then sell it on here or eBay. https://www.tracytools.com/taps-and-dies/metric-taps-dies/10-x-1-metric-sp-plug or a taper and plug set for £3.95 on eBay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134100258609?hash=item1f38ff8f31:g:iWEAAOSw0StiapuS&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4MxpxOH67cqtP9YVZgNFhYPWb0ywTrvErlmSJbx%2Bct6j6FSUuVtbTWMESKNZUZYCF7QTYFEvgBPAhOel8H8rpQyM%2F11LrXFRg%2BI4r6nS%2BZ8heol2XM9NgRm8MGWqqVjkeim60uw%2B6hrGTE%2FZEDPrVmJm9jTjSEfESli7C%2Fkxo2DC6crYEDyRWmX8US041MrQ1vqxeQN%2BtPH7lQculXqoYaB%2BuT8%2F1tA3Ms%2B11K50R5Xc0c2QXGpX68Xq16D1yJAPSCSDpo61S3cUTzn6R6OAjcNksT0trFo%2BIP8UWlltvwFR%7Ctkp%3ABFBMgq-0xe5g Regards TerryD |
Thread: Death. |
10/07/2021 08:28:43 |
Very sad new. Blogwich was outspoken and didn't take fools gladly, but he was helpful and respectful when treated properly. He took a realistic view of model engineering not concerned with the finest tolerances etc and I saw him mock those who bragged of being able to measure precisely to microns which simply isn't necessary in model engineering, especially steam engines. In John's world anything bettter than a gnat's nadger was good enough. A decent, open and honest man who suffered poor health for years whose presence in the world will be sorely missed. RIP John. |
Thread: Boxford Model A leadscrew gearbox. |
12/06/2020 16:58:38 |
Hi Oldiron, That was an interesting video which gave me some ideas, but unfortunately dear old Tubalcain didn't actually strip the box down it was mainly concerned with cleaning it up. But thanks for the link it was useful, Regards TerryD |
12/06/2020 12:18:51 |
Hi, I've not posted for some time, I've been out of circulation. I have a Boxford imperial gearbox, leadscrew and clamp nuts which have become damaged by fire and rust. It has been dry stored now for several years but I would like to refurbish it and pass it on to someone who has a model B or C Boxford and would appreciate a chance to upgrade their lathe. However, I have not dismantled one of these before and would be grateful for advice fro anyone who may have so that I don't make any serious mistakes. So does anyone know of any pitfalls? Regards TerryD
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Thread: Any Idea What Lathe This Is? |
28/04/2020 15:17:59 |
Hi Nick, Looks good, keep us udated on progress, I love in seeing old, apparent junk come back to life again with some tlc, Regards TerryD |
Thread: Boxford change gears for screwcutting. |
24/04/2020 19:14:43 |
Hi Peter, Thanks for that, I can't get there with Firefox but I tried the link in Microsoft edge and I can confirm that it is still downloadable and anyone with a small lathe, Myford, Boxford, Harrison etc should have a copy if they are to do any screwcutting. TerryD |
Thread: Campaign for real steel |
24/04/2020 16:02:40 |
That video rought back some vivid memories I thought were lost. I lived in the Black Country as a child in the late 40s/early 50s and we were surrounded by steelworks and foundries large and small as well as drop forges. I remember my Dad and Uncle wearliy trudging home from the foundry after a 10 hour shift where they worked usually wearing old army greatcoats from their time in service in the 2nd WW, Dad washing in a white enamel bowl with a blue rim (no Bathroom). There was no PPE worth mentioning in those days - I note that some of the guys in the video had what looked like hessian sacking tied around their legs for some sort of protection. I remember also the guys who were injured doing that work, including my Dad, some seriously, some not so bad. but there was little or no social security so work had to go on. I remember how bad it was when my Dad couldn't work for several weeks. My Uncle was a moulder making sand moulds so his only problem was the silicosis he eventually died from.. And I hear that those were the good old days. Perhaps they were for some. TerryD Edited By Terryd on 24/04/2020 16:06:36 |
Thread: Boxford change gears for screwcutting. |
24/04/2020 15:23:34 |
Hi Dave and Ronald, those are useful resources wghich I have addad to favourites, however I particularly want a copy of NthreadP because it had the facility to input the gears owned and the leadscrew pitch/tpi and made hth calculations based on one's won situation. I note that Howard's list ins particularly for the Myford lathe and needs more calculation if one has a different lathe and leadscrew - mine is a metric Boxford. NthreadP allows one to enter and save all pertinant information and add further information such as newly aquired gear wheels. It really is a brilliant little program, I hoe that it's not lost. Thanks for your help, TerryD |
Thread: Whatever happened to... |
24/04/2020 13:03:06 |
Hi, https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-really-good-puds-syrup-sponge-puddings-115885011 Now in plastic tub rather than a tin, and microwaveable not boiled with holes pierced in top. They are rather good and I've been a connossieur since the late 1950's. The best ones though were at my school which cooked proper meals on site.
TerryD - isolating and trying to keep safe. |
Thread: Boxford change gears for screwcutting. |
24/04/2020 12:15:53 |
Hi all, It's several years since i posted here but I'm now active again after retirement and isolating due to CV19. Some years ago I downloaded a small program, suppose it would now be called and 'app', which calculated gear trains for changewheels on lathes. You input leadscrew pitch and your list of changewheels and it would calculate sevearal alternative possible trains. It's most useful feature is that it could calculate very close approximations to cut imperial threads on a metric lathe without a leadscew gearbox and visa versa, without using expensive conversion gears. I accessed it from Tony's Lathes.co.uk website and the link is still there but the original download site is no longer. I have searched and the 'app' appears to have disappeared altogether. It was called NthreadP, and was a free download. My copy was lost in a hard drive failure some time ago and I'm hoping to find someone perhaps who has a copy of this very useful program. I would like to make it available again via my blog so I would be extremely grateful if somone could send a copy, perhaps via Dropbox or similar. Best regards and keep safe, TerryD |
Thread: Campaign for real steel |
24/04/2020 12:00:57 |
Hi all, This is my first post for several years, it's nice to be back. There is a building site in a French forest where a 12th century castle is bering built from scratch using techniques, methods and tools of the era. Most materials are processed and made from what is available locally. There are several episodes on the extraction of iron using a primitive blast furnace which may be of interest. They are from the first series, episodes 6,7,and 8. The program is in French but with English subtitles. You may find it of interest. I hope that you enjoy them - keep safe, TerryD |
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