Robin Graham | 28/01/2023 22:35:27 |
1089 forum posts 345 photos | I tried to tap some M2.5 x 0.45 holes in an aluminium heatsink today and it didn't go well. I'm assuming that the material is pure (ish?) aluminium because it didn't drill or tap like 'ali' at all - it was horribly gummy. Despite copious wetting with WD40 it just didn't seem right - I didn't get the 'crack' which you normally feel when you reverse the tap half a turn. I managed two threads then had to resort to caustic soda to clean the flutes because the swarf was so solidly impacted. Then broke the tap on the third hole of course. I'd welcome any advice. I'm wondering if it might go better with a spiral point tap or if I'm being over-ambitious in trying to through tap 8mm at this size. I'm pretty sure I've done it in brass, but a different animal obviously. Robin. Edited By Robin Graham on 28/01/2023 22:36:05 |
Mike Poole | 28/01/2023 22:42:44 |
![]() 3676 forum posts 82 photos | Pure aluminium is a gummy material, is it possible to drill a clearance hole to avoid tapping the full thickness of the material? |
peak4 | 28/01/2023 22:46:08 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | I wonder if a thread forming tap might be the way to go, along with a high pressure lubricant; I've never used one that small though, but have used thread forming screws. |
Jeff Dayman | 28/01/2023 22:55:14 |
2356 forum posts 47 photos | It's just a heatsink - just drill clearance size through and use a bolt, lockwasher, and nut. |
Hopper | 29/01/2023 02:56:21 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Or drill a hole and use a self tapping screw. |
Chris Mate | 29/01/2023 04:32:29 |
325 forum posts 52 photos | I would try water & dishwashing soap mix. |
JasonB | 29/01/2023 07:16:46 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Thread forming taps that don't have flutes work well in soft materials. You don't say what size hole you drilled, I usually go with 2.1mm but i it is not heavily loaded then upping the size to 2.2mm would still give enough bite. Use a tapping fluid rather than WD40 which is OK for turning/milling but not as good for tapping. 8mm deep in one go won't help, as the size goes down even if breaking off the chips by back turning they can clog the flutes so remove the tap every so often before they become clogged. Spiral flute or spiral point will help here. Also don't use coated taps if they are clogging and the swarf sticking to them. Edited By JasonB on 29/01/2023 07:18:27 |
HOWARDT | 29/01/2023 10:24:18 |
1081 forum posts 39 photos | In a mass part production environment most soft metals are thread formed not cut. The main problem is getting a reasonably accurately sized hole as with small thread pitches there is little to deform. I would drill a smaller hole first then open it out to the required size, I do this for my small cutting taps to get a better sized hole and therefore better fit thread. |
Andrew Johnston | 29/01/2023 10:30:04 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | Folded heatsinks are very soft and gummy, probably near pure aluminium Extruded heatsinks are aluminium alloy, albeit not the nicest material to machine. I've machined and tapped a lot of heatsinks for work. I tend to drill for about 50% thread engagement. An M2.5 by 8mm hole is doable with ordinary uncoated hand taps. But it's not great design, so I'd change the design to shorten the thread depth. I usually tap dry as I don't want to contaminate the heatsink and electronics. Andrew |
Ady1 | 29/01/2023 11:17:35 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | If you get a tough one which needs threaded then I make the hole a bit bigger, ream it out a bit Means less thread engagement but tapping is far easier and it always seems to hold fine Adapt the system for the job kinda thing |
Andrew Tinsley | 29/01/2023 11:22:54 |
1817 forum posts 2 photos | I learnt a long time ago "Do not try tapping pure aluminium". I found it to be a mug's game. There are plenty of other ways to solve the problem, drill clearance and use nuts and bolts is probably the simplest. Andrew. |
Robert Atkinson 2 | 29/01/2023 11:49:04 |
![]() 1891 forum posts 37 photos | Slightly OT because not a hobby solution, one of the neatest solutios I've seen in heatsink fastenings is tha ADVEL RivScrew. https://rhf.co.uk/product/avdel-stanley/speed-fasteners/rivscrew/ (random supplier) Thread forming screws are also an option. Taptite is a major brand. While I've used a lot at M3.5 they are available in smaller sizes. Down to a surprising, to me at least, M1 x0.25 https://taptite.com/images/REMINC-Catalog-English-web-quality-20210119.pdf Robert G8RPI. |
Mick B1 | 29/01/2023 14:44:29 |
2444 forum posts 139 photos | Heatsinks are usually extrusions sliced to length, of alloys that are of acceptable or good machinability. Other solutions might be indicated in your situation, but normally I'd think a spiral point - or better still, spiral flute - tap with suitable tapping lube like Rocol RTD or suchlike would work. I've not found WD40 much help when tapping sticky metals - but most heatsink profiles I've come across haven't been too difficult that way. As Andrew suggests above, I'd try to shorten the tapping depth - 3+ diameters is a long way, and 17.78 turns is plenty enough for something to go wrong... |
KWIL | 29/01/2023 16:28:33 |
3681 forum posts 70 photos | QUOTE Spiral Point NO this will fill your hole with swarf or better spiral flute - Yes much better |
Ramon Wilson | 29/01/2023 17:04:51 |
![]() 1655 forum posts 617 photos | Posted by KWIL on 29/01/2023 16:28:33:
QUOTE Spiral Point NO this will fill your hole with swarf or better spiral flute - Yes much better It's a through hole Kwil Horrible stuff as everyone says - a larger hole than that usually dictated and use paraffin (kerosene) rather than WD40 - much better than anything on ali at any time. Plus Gas is good too but difficult to find these days I would think. If it's as gummy as you say though you may well have to think of an alternative Best - Tug |
Clive Foster | 29/01/2023 19:17:30 |
3630 forum posts 128 photos | +1 for Roberts suggestion of Taptite screws. These are tri-lobular in shape, essentially the same as thread forming taps. I could be convinced that they actually work better than proper thread forming tap in gummy alloy. Use as is or, if something really secure is wanted without undue tightness, run a normal screw into the hole. Last time I bought some a small box was usefully cheaper than a thread forming tap or a set of decent quality normal taps. Given the likelihood of breaking taps in gummy alloy I figured that finding storage space for the 40(?) odd screws I wasn't going to use for that job was a fair trade off. Over the years they have slowly gotten used, mostly on an "as I have them" basis. Clive |
samuel heywood | 29/01/2023 21:37:36 |
125 forum posts 14 photos | I've not tried this in an engineering sense, more in a ' bodge-it' sense. I have done this with other soft metal~ Why not try just screwing the fastener into the tapping hole direct? |
Robin Graham | 29/01/2023 22:23:49 |
1089 forum posts 345 photos | Thanks to all for replies - forgot to say I'd drilled 2.1mm. Clearance drilling for a screw / nut would be difficult because of the geometry of the heatsink, otherwise I would have just done that:
My reason for posting this query was, at least partly, that I wanted to understand why I f..f..fouled this up. I find it difficult to say 'well, that didn't work, I'll try something else' without trying to understand why it didn't work. From replies it sound's like it's doable, but in this material not as straightforward as tapping normally is. That's reassuring. I'll carry on trying, taking heed of advice - I don't like giving up! The heatsinks actually have some M3 tapped holes (not in the right place obv) as supplied, so it's possible. For practical purposes it sounds like Taptite is the way to go. Didn't know of them, thanks Robert. Robin
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Chris Mate | 29/01/2023 22:49:39 |
325 forum posts 52 photos | Posted by Ramon Wilson on 29/01/2023 17:04:51:
Posted by KWIL on 29/01/2023 16:28:33:
QUOTE Spiral Point NO this will fill your hole with swarf or better spiral flute - Yes much better It's a through hole Kwil Horrible stuff as everyone says - a larger hole than that usually dictated and use paraffin (kerosene) rather than WD40 - much better than anything on ali at any time. Plus Gas is good too but difficult to find these days I would think. If it's as gummy as you say though you may well have to think of an alternative Best - Tug I was thinking very thin fluid. I scrapped a old Dell laptop yesterday to get the disk magnet, it had a sizebe heatsink, will try a few fluids on that, starting with WD40, then Fuchs, then try other. |
JohnF | 30/01/2023 10:02:12 |
![]() 1243 forum posts 202 photos | Try using Methylated Spirit as a lubricant, you need to add frequently with a brush, we used to get L34 aluminium, an aircraft grade material, very soft and gummy, horrible stuff to machine but meths worked well as a lube. What Elf 'n' safety would say now ???? John |
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