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jason udall21/08/2013 14:48:04
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Well said
Michael Gilligan21/08/2013 18:37:28
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For info ...

Following RJW's very informative post; I tried switching off JavaScript, and blocking pop-ups, on the iPad.
I am now presented with a tiny box [about 24 characters wide] in which to compose a post ... There are none of the editing "tools" available, and the links at the bottom of previous posts do nothing.
Presumably this post will appear as plain text.

MichaelG.

Edit: Correction ... it appeared as HTML .... I've now edited the post [in another tiny box, which accepts raw HTML]

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 21/08/2013 18:40:44

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 21/08/2013 18:42:09

KWIL21/08/2013 19:16:18
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Maybe some kind soul will hack the facebook/twitter/xxxx side of this site and so leave us all in peacedevil

Michael Gilligan21/08/2013 20:33:17
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Posted by KWIL on 21/08/2013 19:16:18:

Maybe some kind soul will hack the facebook/twitter/xxxx side of this site and so leave us all in peacedevil

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May not be necessary ... it appears to be broken "as built"

Running the iPad "Debug Console" reveals:

JavaScript: Warning on Line 56

JavaScript: Log on Line 4235

[details are given for both]

MichaelG.

Stub Mandrel21/08/2013 21:45:15
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The internet leaks like a sieve.

My wife once accidentally found a mention of me on line - in the emails of a partner organisation, whose entire email back history was google searchable and accessible... their 'IT whiz' was entirely unaware of a major hole in their email client.

Simple rule - never post anything you don't mind the world and her husband seeing.

Neil

RJW21/08/2013 21:50:12
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Thanks Jason and MichaelG, also apologies to Patrick, I appear to have inadvertantly christened him 'Peter'!

John

RJW21/08/2013 23:04:20
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Mike, add into that mix all those drones populating sites who can't string a sentence together without brain numbing text speak, that recycled dross will be quite a bizarre read at least!

John

Edited By RJW on 21/08/2013 23:05:05

magpie22/08/2013 06:41:30
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Just like what has happened to TV

Cheers Derek.

Springbok22/08/2013 07:18:47
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Dear Mr Patrick Astill,
If I find out that any of my help comments have been posted to one of these childish thumb numbind, brain dead sites I will start to encourage members to pull out. I do hope that I make myself explicitly clear.And  I hope that you have got the message from everyone here.
I personally would go back to management and ask for a new post. And tell them to get the current site sorted out.
Apologies for being so blunt but that is how the bulk of us all feel.

And Oh can you put in a proper profile with pic's of work done and your workshop.
Bob

Edited By Springbok on 22/08/2013 07:22:12

Edited By Springbok on 22/08/2013 07:26:46

Springbok22/08/2013 07:34:35
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Dianne,

Is there someone deleting comments on this thread as I had said you were the only sane one

Bob

JasonB22/08/2013 07:53:25
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Bob thats another thread, nothing has been deleted.

Regarding your earlier comments by posting here you have in effect agreed to the terms & conditions which include allowing MTM to do whatever they like with what you have written, if you don't like it then don't post.

J

Russell Eberhardt22/08/2013 08:00:37
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by posting here you have in effect agreed to the terms & conditions which include allowing MTM to do whatever they like with what you have written, if you don't like it then don't post.

Are you certain about that? It would be interesting to see some comment from someone with some legal knowledge!

Russell.

JasonB22/08/2013 08:12:20
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Well maybe if you wanted to legally challenge it but it clear enough that by posting and using the forum you agree to the T&Cs

"MyTimeMedia Ltd ("MyTimeMedia" ) brings you this website ("Website" ) on condition you accept the following terms and conditions ("Terms and Conditions" ). Your use of this Website constitutes your agreement to all such terms................................"

Edited By JasonB on 22/08/2013 08:13:08

Steambuff22/08/2013 08:12:55
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See my previous post

This is quoted from section 3 of their T&C on Posted Content.

Any Content provided by you by, for example, posting messages to bulletin boards or chat forums, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any other form of communication through this Website, although owned by you, is subject to a royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, world-wide licence allowing MyTimeMedia to use, distribute, copy, sub-license, adapt, transmit, publicly perform or display any such content. You agree to irrevocably and unconditionally waive on your behalf in perpetuity in respect of such Content the benefit of any provision of law known as moral rights of authors or any similar law in any country.

Dave

Jo22/08/2013 08:15:09
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Russell: Yes the Ts&C's as written give MyTimeMedia both the permission to exploit and, the way that have worded the Ts&Cs, the legal responsibility for anything that is posted here or that they choose to exploit using other media. It is part of the reason they get so twitchy about inflammatory posts being made.

Jo

John Stevenson22/08/2013 08:52:45
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Posted by Russell Eberhardt on 22/08/2013 08:00:37:It would be interesting to see some comment from someone with some legal knowledge!

Russell.

That should be easy.

Most forum members are bar room lawyers smile p

Patrick Astill22/08/2013 09:17:32
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Dear Springbok Bob,

I think that's a little uncalled for and very rude in any public forum.

There is no automatic link to social media outside this forum or outside of the photo albums. My advice would be that if you are suspicious of something, then please don't post.

I'm sorry you don't feel that I can conduct my business in a professional way - such a shame when I am working to promote the hobby that you all love so much.

Patrick

John McNamara22/08/2013 10:24:45
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Hello JasonB

Your reply as a moderator to "Springbock", Bob's (Yes....rather direct) post. was harsh in my view, not businesslike.

Not withstanding the rights and claims ambit or otherwise that the forum terms and conditions try to assert; conditions which may or may not conflict with the common law rights of the forum members. One instance being the UK Human rights act of 1998 and the right of privacy for individuals.

I think a less forceful and blunt response was in order.

I note Bob has made over 750 contributions to this forum. Clearly a conscientious and sincere effort to model making and light engineering. He deserves better. It is regular posters that make up the backbone of a forum, these are the people that attract "Views", and these viewers eyes are are what the paid advertisers on this site need to attract business.

I am assuming that you have discussed your written response with senior management, and that they support your wording. If not may I refer you to the following:

Moderation is also a principle of life. In ancient Greece, the temple of Apollo at Delphi bore the inscription Meden Agan (μηδὲν ἄγα&nu - 'Nothing in excess'. Doing something "in moderation" means not doing it excessively.

It is also clear from the contributions to this thread (and many others in the past on this members only forum) that the members are not happy with the conditions wording. Maybe their ire was tempered by the fact that the actual use of material has been up to now limited.

The new? plans to use social media posted by Patrick Astill at the start of this thread have met with indifference at best, some views are quite hostile. Many members do not want their names or material posted at other sites.

Maybe The planned update to the webpage might include an "opt out box" in the members details that would enable those members to decline the use of their material outside this forum. This is a common practise on the net at numerous commercial sites where you have to register for entry.

It is time this issue was sorted.

Yours Faithfully
John McNamara

Edited By John McNamara on 22/08/2013 10:35:24

Edited By John McNamara on 22/08/2013 10:40:39

Michael Gilligan22/08/2013 10:29:14
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Posted by Patrick Astill on 13/08/2013 11:20:45:

Hello – I’m looking after the 'social media' for Model Engineer and Model Engineers’ Workshop and was wondering if you were a member of any of the most popular sites.

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Patrick is evidently facing an uphill struggle with this; but he is asking a perfectly reasonable "market research" question ... so let's return to his opening line, and give him a simple answer.

Answering for myself:

No, I am not a member of any of the most popular 'social media' sites.

MichaelG.

Russell Eberhardt22/08/2013 11:28:33
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 22/08/2013 10:29:14:Patrick is evidently facing an uphill struggle with this; but he is asking a perfectly reasonable "market research" question ... so let's return to his opening line, and give him a simple answer.

Yes, I'm a member of facebook but only to keep in touch with my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. I have no wish or intention of using it for anything else.

Twitter - no.

Pinterest - what on Earth is that?

This forum alone is great but could be publicised more widely.

Russell.

P.S. John, It's lunchtime here and I've just been called to the barwink

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