Eccentricity / Run-Out

I'm with you Neil. Extended warranty is a form of Insurance which is all about statistical averaging over many individual policies to ensure that the insurer makes a profit overall all after all claims.

So, I never pay for extended warranty on principle and apply the statistics over all of my devices, appliances and white goods. If I get one dodgy item that dies before it should do, out of warranty, then I am pretty certain that I've saved enough by not buying the warranties on all of the other "good" products to cover it.

Jon

I very rarely if ever buy extended warranty but I suppose if it makes an individual feel more secure then it's worth it for them, I know someone who doesn't insure their house, neither buildings nor contents because the chances of them being destroyed are statistically remote, that certainly wouldn't suit me.

John

I had a similar problem with 'run out' on my '92 Hoover. After changing so many wrong parts , it turned out to be motor brushes. Still running well after 25 years.

Was cheated out of free trip to New York by Hoover along with thousands of others.

Extended warranties are a blatant con for any product, particularly anything electronic/electrical. Google 'bathtub curve' for a detailed explanation but, to cut to the chase, if it doesn't break down during the warranty period under normal use, it will likely have a long and useful life until totally worn out. That is why equipment for military applications undergo a 'burn-in' process to fast-forward the period where 'infant mortality' failure could occur.

Alan

Con or not I had piece of mind when working away from home knowing my wife and Daughter were not stuck if something went wrong.

Martin P

Good point - you can't overvalue piece of mind. I had the opposite problem with my wife and daughter: if I wasn't there, plumbers would be called out and new machines ordered at the slightest hint of trouble.

My mum is very pleased with the extended warranty on her central heating. She can't resist 'saving money' by turning the boiler temperature down. So far she's had three replacement pumps in five years - they run continuously trying to heat a big house with lukewarm water.

Dave

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Forgive me, but; I can't really see faulty motor brushes causing a clearly visible eccentricity of the drum when it's empty, and being turned-over by hand.

I'm glad it worked-out well for you though.

MichaelG.

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Rough estimate for mine is [as mentioned in my opening post]:

[0° = +5mm] ... [90° = 0mm] ...[180° = -5mm] ... [270° = 0mm]

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/09/2017 18:50:56

The machine would try to bounce along the floor whenever a change of speed was required.

Like it was massively out of balance.

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I don't doubt what you say ... but I'm afraid it's not really 'similar' to the very obvious actual physical run-out on the drum of our machine.

MichaelG.

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MrsG was suffering badly with her Arthritis, so didn't feel up to going shopping for a new Washing Machine.

Against our better judgement; we decided to run one more wash in the Miele.

When it got to the Rinse cycle, it sounded remarkably like a Traction Engine puffing along the road.

Similar noise in the Spin cycle [which was, thankfully, only set to 400rpm, not 1400]

... then graunch & BANG !!

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Here is the failure mode:

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That's a view into the outer drum, showing what remains of a 'spider-leg' [one of three] that should be supporting the inner drum. ... Something tells me that our washing liquids might not be compatible with Miele's alloy.

MichaelG.

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For info. The machine [W504] is actually twelve years old ... Tempus Fugit !!

Bearings, belt, motor, etc. are still in excellent condition.

I sometimes wonder about galvanic erosion due to the odd bits of metal debris that falls out of pockets etc.

Brian, that and the fact that some parts are stainless steel bolted to bits of ? aluminium alloy, with the odd bit of brass thrown in just for luck, all OK while its dry, but eventually moisture gets in, along with the chemicals in the soap powder.

Ian S C

Quatermass and he Thing from the Washing Machine.

Showing your age now Neil, or did your dad tell you about Quatermass😜

Interesting thread - We had a Bosch machine which we eventually dumped because one arm of the (apparently monkey-metal) drum support spider broke, resulting in various graunching noises. This was replaced with a Whirlpool machine, but now we seem to have another problem. I don't want to hijack the thread, but has anyone anything to say about the economy of washing machines.

Both the Bosch and the Whirlpool were supposed to be 'economic', but both use(d) large amounts of water. (we have our own deep freshwater well, so I can easily keep track of what we use - we have to keep an eye on it because it is possible to pump it dry under some circumstances).

The Whirlpool machine is terrible - we use what is supposed to be the most economic (in terms of water use) cycle, and by my measurements, the thing uses about 400 litres of water for one wash - both machines seem to have multiple rinse/dry cycles, which seems to be where the water is going. It is not easy to actually decide what is going on - there is no external indicator showing 'current function' in detail, the instruction manuals are useless, so the only way is to sit and watch the damn thing - and it still isn't obvious - life is far too short for that.

I did suspect at one point that the supply pressure was too low, but our water pressure is regulated to 6 bar, and easily maintains that. Apparently most European countries supplies should operate at between 4 to 6 bar, so I don't think that is a factor.

I have read about machines using bubble technology (as opposed to simply swilling water in), but I haven't (yet) found any info on these machines. We want to junk the crap we have now, and since we have to buy another, I want to get a machine which does operate economically, both electricity and water, as opposed to the incredible stuff the advertisements claim.

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Feel free

MichaelG.

We have our own well, so economy of water and power are important. As said instructions are not good, far worse than imported lathes. I have found that a lot of " cycles" can be cut out, eg. pre-wash, extra spin etc. How this is done must vary with each maker and is never obvious. Most machines are made by the same company. Not much help I know.

Salvage from the Miele includes a rather useful looking motor:

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With a speed-range like that ^^^ my first thought is that it would be useful on an 'overhead' for the lathe, to drive a milling/drilling spindle. ... Alternative suggestions [probably] welcome.

MichaelG.

Have a look at these videos Michael, you will find them interesting, re Miele and using the motors for other things.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+post+apocalyptic+inventor

Phil

Thanks, Phil

... up to my ears in other things at the moment, but will watch tonight.

MichaelG.