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Danny M2Z02/11/2016 07:16:59
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Posted by Roger Williams 2 on 01/11/2016 09:28:42:

Danny m2z, you obviously enjoy killing things then !. Brave of you

So all your meat comes from the supermarket?

Get real!

I only hunt feral animals. The govt. taught me how to shoot straight.

Whenever possible the meat, skin and hair is put to use. Feral dogs, they maim and rip apart lambs and calves here in Australia. Where I live, they now attract a bounty, barely covers the cost of hunting them though.

Feral cats kill many native Australian animals, they require NVG equipment as they are sneaky.

I enjoy it when another pest is eradicated.

As for smoking, my message came from Yul Brynner.

* Danny M *

Clive Hartland02/11/2016 09:53:03
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All Townies buy meat from the Supermarket, never thinking that the animal has been killed and flensed for consumption. How about Halal meat, it's throat cut as they say a prayer over it ! Wow.!

A Rural living person sees the damage done by Feral animals and wild animals. Lambs being born are grabbed by a Fox and in doing so blind the lamb. Eleven lams blinded in one night out of 80 born! Ever seen a grown man cry as he had to kill those lambs.

Rats, eating through and despoiling stored food, potatoes and grain. You can smell them! Pigeons who need at least 1lb of green stuff to survive a frosty night. There are thousands of them roosting in the woods alongside the fields of cabbage and Oil seed Rape. That fat little rabbit, eats the tops off the beetroot and carrots and ring barks the small trees you plant.

Wild meat is cholesterol free by the way, only domestic animals have cholesterol in them. Beef and Chicken injected with hormones and Antibiotics. Salmonella is rife on farms and even Supermarket chickens wrapped up are contaminated.

One should look at ones own life style before condemning another's way of living, in Kenya I lived off the land, Fish, Guinea Fowl etc, I did swop Impala for Veal at the cattle farm. One was to get rid of the Impala and the other the Farmer wanted a change of meat. The veal was from male calves. that they did not want just like they do not want Cockerels in chicken farming that then become food for pet snakes etc.

Really, get a life lads, a nice roast Pheasant, or a Parrtidge casserole are lovely.

Clive

Circlip02/11/2016 10:07:38
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14 years ago, was told by a very attractive Sarf African Docteress, " Stop smoking and you will have a 50% less chance of having another heart attack. Carry on .... and you will DIE."

Cold turkey after up to 40 a day. You have to want to stop, forget pills and potions and for those who think they are weak willed, I would have been high on that list. Last cig, Tuesday 20th October 2002 at 6.30 pm thinking "one way or another this could be my last cig." Was having my second MI. Only smoked 20 that day, 21st and onward, zilch. At times could still kill one but £10 a packet now? No way.

 And for the self righteous ex-smokers who try to ridicule those who still imbibe, go take a jump, your patronising attitude is a pain up the posterior.

 

Regards Ian.

Edited By Circlip on 02/11/2016 10:11:41

Anthony Knights02/11/2016 10:45:52
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I stopped smoking in 2001 after several failed attempts. I was seriously ill in 2013 with sepsis following chemotherapy. I was told by my doctor that I would probably not have survived if I smoked. I am still here and the money I save by not smoking, helps finance my hobby and trips to the pub.

Mike02/11/2016 12:21:59
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Clive, yours is one of the most sensible posts I have ever seen on this forum. I'm looking forward to my venison for tonight's dinner. I'll drink a real ale toast to you as I dine!

KWIL02/11/2016 12:28:58
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You cannot beat a nice bit of venison or wild boaryes

Edited By KWIL on 02/11/2016 12:29:16

Richard S202/11/2016 13:49:09
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My best wishes for Hacksaw and anyone who intends to give up the weed and indeed any other methods of 'Oral Solace'.

I started smoking at the age of 14. Wished I hadn't.

The pressures and stresses of my final 32 years of working life seemed to force me to continue, where the smoking, coffee and poor available diet allowed me to endure long Shifts at all hours (up to 17 hours) .

Although only 20 a day and low Tar, I eventually cut down to 50 gms hand rolling tobacco which lasted me over 8 days when I took early retirement in 2006.

Working for myself when I felt like it and enjoying what I did, I finally reached a point one day when I finished maintaining a large Garden in late March 2013, that I had run out of tobacco. I decided to make straight for home without buying any more.

i have not had a cigarette since, nor felt the need for one. I am also not bothered by others that do.

So 47 years and just stopped!. If I can do it, others can also if they wish to.

Good luck and enjoy spending the money on other things.

Edited By Richard S2 on 02/11/2016 13:50:00

mark costello 102/11/2016 14:25:05
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Not making fun of tobacco addiction, but food is right up there with the rest.

Hacksaw02/11/2016 14:31:10
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I picked totally the wrong time to stop! My Dad has just died of lung cancer - (not the reason i stopped though !) .A lifelong smoker- stub it out halfway down, save other half for late, type... tight git ! And not short of a bob or two so i don't know why he did that. Not a comfortable way to go . Personally ,I would have downed the bottle of morphine and had done with it at the end . So it's a stressful time , i could do with a fag , but like the above poster , i ran out of fags one evening (2nd oct ,) i couldn't be arsed to go up the garage to buy some , dug the vape thing out and sucked on that.. Then i realised it was stoptober and thought I'd carry on and see how long i could go without .. And the end of the month is here ! I'm probably doing more nicotine with the vape , but heyho I can truthfully say i haven't had a fag and can just buy weaker and weaker juice in future .

Clive Hartland02/11/2016 14:43:55
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Thank you Mike, I was fully expecting to get, 'Flak' from my posting. I have to say I am not a blood thirsty killer but only took what I could use or eat. I had friends whose idea of a good day was to shoot 30 Ducks but then did not eat them as gutting and plucking was too much effort until I showed them how to extract only the breast meat. Same with Guinea fowl, I never plucked them but skinned them and then washed and bagged them for the freezer. Trout, I always gutted immediately and washed as the stomach contents not only told me what they were after but the contents fouled the flesh.

On a cattle ranch in Kenya they did an arial count and found 30000 Impala. which out numbered the cattle 10 to 1, needless to say they wanted to do something but the cost of shooting an individual Impala was about £1.00 but that night 2 more Impala were born. See the problem. They brought Lions in and protected the cattle , it was cheaper.

In the UK at this time people are tolerating Foxes and feeding them in their gardens, but the Fox roams a large area taking chickens and tortoise and hutch rabbits. They have entered houses and injured babies and it will not be long until one is taken. Urban Foxes are NOT Rural Foxes and therefore cannot be transplanted into rural areas as they will starve (No Dustbins) I see Foxes with scabies and maimed legs and snouts scarred by getting them stuck in tins while scavenging. Only one answer there.I have known people bitten by a Fox and septaceimia is the norm from that. Dont get anywhere near an injured Fox.

Clive

Neil Wyatt02/11/2016 16:38:30
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> They brought Lions in and protected the cattle , it was cheaper.

And there's the rub.

If you have a small number of big predators, they hold large territories and keep down other predators and help keep everything in balance.

If we had wolves in the UK, foxes would be less of a pest at the price of a few sheep and the odd drunk

Neil

Mike02/11/2016 16:59:20
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We seem to have got a long way from giving up the dreaded weed, but I must again endorse what Clive has written. Not far from here we had a dimwit dog catcher who caught up urban foxes and transported them out into the countryside for release. A farmer friend of mine shot several to put them out of their misery. They were starving and nothing but skin and bone because they had no hunting skills. Otherwise they weren't bothering my friend, who is an arable farmer. I have shot and fished for all of my adult life, but, like the majority of country sportsmen, I have never taken more than I could eat, and even then only when there was a harvestable surplus. I just get fed up with the pronouncements of armchair conservationists.

Neil Wyatt02/11/2016 17:25:27
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Posted by Mike on 02/11/2016 16:59:20:

We seem to have got a long way from giving up the dreaded weed, but I must again endorse what Clive has written. Not far from here we had a dimwit dog catcher who caught up urban foxes and transported them out into the countryside for release. A farmer friend of mine shot several to put them out of their misery. They were starving and nothing but skin and bone because they had no hunting skills. Otherwise they weren't bothering my friend, who is an arable farmer. I have shot and fished for all of my adult life, but, like the majority of country sportsmen, I have never taken more than I could eat, and even then only when there was a harvestable surplus. I just get fed up with the pronouncements of armchair conservationists.

Don't worry, there are plenty more foxes in urban areas than the countryside.

Neil

(practical conservationist, not an armchair one, if over thirty year's professional experience counts...)

JA02/11/2016 17:26:55
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I have not shot anything for over twenty years and now could be what Mike calls an armchair conservationist.

However man has been very successful at getting rid of animals etc that he does not like such as wolves, bears and the smallpox virus. I strongly believe that since he is now the only really top level predator left in places on Earth he is responsible for managing the balance of all living creatures etc. That includes not too many foxes and badgers and perhaps a few more wolves.

JA

Clive Hartland02/11/2016 20:55:53
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Ive never seen a Fox or a badger smoke but have seen a Chipanzee smoke! Woman had one she would carry around on her hip and it smoked fags quite elegantly, would even take fags off people who went by. Never did know the end of that one.

Significantly, fags cause Arrithimya and hardening of the arteries and if you look closely at a smokers face you will see that is covered in small/fine red blood vessels. maybe all gasping for oxygen? I have seen a lung cut open of a heavy smoker, It was black! Students walked out to have a fag, In service as a boy the smokers would go to the Naafi and buy a pack of 5 Woodbines for 9 old pence and cut each into 3 equal parts and then sell them with a pin for 3 old pence. Making a profit of 36 old pence. The lads would smoke to the last bit of ash and burn their lips. I might add that of the 150 lads i joined with some 20 or so remain alive and the rest- lung cancer-bladder cancer- stomach cancers etc. They do shorten a useful life, I would rather burn gunpowder than baccy as I would certainly enjoy it more. Forgot to say i do not smoke ever.

Clive

Enough!02/11/2016 20:57:42
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Posted by JA on 02/11/2016 17:26:55:

However man has been very successful at getting rid of animals etc that he does not like

... or sometimes not so successful. Like the chap who drove far away from home to the middle of a forest to get rid of his cat. He let the animal out of his car and drove off.

Some time later his phone rang. It was his wife: "Cat's back" she said.

"Good" he said "put her on. I got lost and I need directions".

wink

Harry Wilkes02/11/2016 21:20:36
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Posted by bricky on 02/11/2016 06:57:02:

I am 70 and when at school it was so easy to smoke.The headmaster used to send me to the local shop for his fags .Us lads would pool our money and I would buy us 4 Domino fags in a paper sleve folded over and taped down with a domino on the front,dose anyone remember them.I stopped smoking at 21 when taking up swimming after a 6 year break I could not swim across the pool without struggling for breath.I stopped immediatly and have never touched one since.

Frank

Yes I remember Domino used to bunk over the school fence to buy them at the little shop next to my school

XD 351 I smoked until 28th Dec 2005 when I had a massive heart attack it was 3 days before I was back in the land of the living and didn't even think of having a fag at the time and have never bothered since but when I came out of the hospital for a couple of weeks I stil picked up my fags and lighter as I left the house surprise

H

SillyOldDuffer02/11/2016 22:01:14
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Posted by Clive Hartland on 02/11/2016 09:53:03:

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A Rural living person sees the damage done by Feral animals and wild animals.

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Clive

I suppose it must depend on where you live. There's not much to see round my village - farming has made my bit of rural England into something of a desert so far as wildlife is concerned.

My suburban mum sees far more nature than I do. I put it down to available habitat and the absence of sprays, poison and shotguns.

Dave

Mike Poole02/11/2016 23:25:59
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Plenty of wildlife round my way, most days foxes, badgers, pheasants and pigeons line the side of the roads, muntjacs are also fair game for the car. Crows and magpies like to play chicken and usually survive. I hit a crow on the bike one day on the way to work, first job of the day was wiping crow giblets off my gloves and leather jacket, they don't smell too good. Used to be lots of flat hedgehogs but they seem rare now.

Mike

Clive Hartland03/11/2016 07:51:32
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For Dave, yes, you are right. Farmers have changed animal habitat so much it all had to move, so to the houses where people put food out for them. Rats will survive anywhere, as will mice etc. Birds are not so lucky as the hedgerows disappeared and so did habitat. magpies survive now around the houses, feeding on anything they find in the gardens and are also destructive pulling out under eaves weather protection materiel.

One thing that has always puzzled me is the fact that Mediterranean shooters kill small birds for the tongue only, mainly Skylarks ? Local Greeks I know shoot Starlings and barbecue them, yes, I know they are now a protected specie and the Greeks also know.

Farming policies are changing because of pollinating insects and now a lot of farmers leave a 20 meter strip on the edge of a field for wild flowers etc. With bee keeping there is problem with what is called, 'Monoculture' this causes problems with bees immune systems as they need, 'Multifloral' nectar to defend their immune systems. This was the cause of the CCD outbreak in the USA.

Clive

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