macmarch | 04/12/2010 17:12:40 |
147 forum posts 1 photos | May I suggest that as you are having a problem with Chester that you have a word with Uniroyal. They make most of the toothed belts for most suppliers. Also look at the cat from HPC and or Davall Gears. They list belts of all types. HTH
cheers
Ray |
macmarch | 04/12/2010 17:27:31 |
147 forum posts 1 photos | Just looked at Davall cat again.
part no 615-5M-15 may do the job. (therer are also several other belts that could do it.)
Thisbelt is 615mm length, 123 Teeth, 15 mm wide, 5mm ptich.
Sorry if I offend but are you aware that the pitch is taken as the CHORD length. (ie. curved at a point above the the tooth base.) Like gears its the pcd not the straight line measurement.
If you wish I could send copies of the relevant pages. Drop me a pm with your email addy.
cheers
ray Edited By macmarch on 04/12/2010 17:50:40 |
JasonB | 04/12/2010 18:43:37 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Posted by macmarch on 04/12/2010 17:27:31:
Sorry if I offend but are you aware that the pitch is taken as the CHORD length. (ie. curved at a point above the the tooth base.) Like gears its the pcd not the straight line measurement.
I thought that was for the pully, if it were for the belt then the chord length and therfore pitch would vary depending on the size of the pully wheel?
HPC have the belts measured from tooth to tooth irispective of the pully dia
Jason Edited By JasonB on 04/12/2010 18:47:53 |
Dinosaur Engineer | 04/12/2010 18:56:16 |
147 forum posts 4 photos | Maybe this post is a lesson for all of us to buy the more predictable spares that have a limited life with the M/C ?
I remember in the good old days that VW shipped Beetle spares to each country before they shiiped any cars . |
macmarch | 04/12/2010 21:45:06 |
147 forum posts 1 photos | HPC and Davall explain it differently, but the pitch is controlled by the chord. You can't have a 21 1/2 tooth gear nor a 21 1/2 tooth wheel for a belt. Nevertheless Chester need a firm prod in the nether regions.
Edited By macmarch on 04/12/2010 21:50:07 |
ted | 04/12/2010 22:45:32 |
4 forum posts | hi gordon
i too have a chester DV8 lathe and had the same problem last week with the motor drive belt but got a vee belt the same length and vee angle but no teeth on the outside from a farm &industial supplies in irealnd so far the belt the belt works on the lathe without slip and min tension and the tacho works .i have been to told that chester don,t export to ireland directly anymoore and have go thru a sale company in ireland who mainly deals with colleges .i have already replace the 3/4 hp motor as the insulation on the armature of the motor had broken down and was causing the RCD breaker to trip .This was more than likely cause from drilling under heavy load or heavy cutting .The new motor is a 1hp now a small gain but just might reduce the chances of this happen again |
Trevor Drabble | 04/12/2010 23:07:06 |
![]() 339 forum posts 7 photos | As a Myford user, I have so far found this thread extremely interesting and enlightening.......... |
Gordon A | 05/12/2010 00:14:53 |
157 forum posts 4 photos | Peter, Thank you for your interest, but there is very little similarity between the Hobby 818 that I owned and the Mashstroy in the picture to which you refer. Mine looked similar to the Emco Compact 8, but was much more basic. The bed was similar to the Mashstroy in that it had a combination of flat and vee form, but the saddle and tailstock ran on the outer flat parts with the centre vee section preventing lifting of both. The Gates belt ran directly from the motor to the spindle pulley with no countershaft, giving 4 direct speeds from 250 to 1700 rev/min. It did however have the advantage of a Myford type spindle nose which made accessories easy to source. I did once make a half-hearted attempt to trace the origin of this machine, but as I was at least the third owner, I assumed that Axminster had stopped selling this model long ago. Gordon. |
John Olsen | 05/12/2010 01:26:12 |
1294 forum posts 108 photos 1 articles | Trevor, I don't know if you are trying to assert that the Myford does not have trouble with belts, but if you are I would point out that there is a well known modification to improve the Myford belt drive. This was originally published about 30 years ago, and is still available as a kit and set of drawings from one of the suppliers. My own experience with my ML7 has convinced me that the belt centres on the Myford are too short and the pullies too small for the type of belt supplied, and this leads to heating of the aluminium alloy pulley on the spindle. This can be sufficient to cause the bronze back gear to come loose in the pulley...it is only a press fit. In order to fix this, one must dismantle the headstock bearings. I've adapted the poly V belt conversion, which was designed for the Super 7 and made it work on the ML 7. The poly V belts do run quieter and cooler than the originals, as well as providing four ratios instead of three. So all is not exactly sweetness and light in the Myford camp either. regards John |
Gordon W | 05/12/2010 10:39:36 |
2011 forum posts | Thanks again for suggestions. Terry, did not get email, so did not ignore, grizzly is speed controlled motor. Just to repeat, the belt I need is a toothed belt ,from motor to counter-shaft. I have tried all the usual suppliers with no luck. Difficult to measure accurately as belt is a bit mangled, also teeth are only about 1mm high, so pitch line is a bit debatable. All I know is it does not match any of usual standards,or come anywhere near. Teeth are for drive only, not for timing. Can't find F belt. Looks like redesign is the way to go, but will keep trying to find another supplier, would be a great help if could get the original spec. |
Martin W | 05/12/2010 12:02:29 |
940 forum posts 30 photos | Gordon
Have you tried posting on the Chester forum itself. It may attract attention to this problem from other users of the Chester DB8 machines and if they is enough interest may cause Chester UK to change their mind re stocking spares.
Just a thought.
Cheers
Martin |
blowlamp | 05/12/2010 12:16:18 |
![]() 1885 forum posts 111 photos | Gordon.
Would it be a big job to change the pulleys and belt for something more current?
Martin. |
Keith Long | 05/12/2010 12:17:12 |
883 forum posts 11 photos | Hi Gordon W Are the pulleys on your lathe "toothed" to accept the teeth on the belt - I've recently seen a lathe that looked at first sight that it was using a timing belt drive, but while the belt was toothed the pulleys were plain. I suspect the belt was being used for it's higher tensile strength allowing the use of a smaller section. You say that the teeth are not for timing but just for drive - sounds as though your looking for the wrong thing in going for a timing belt - you want a "cogged" v belt - very common. They look like timing belts at first sight but the "teeth" are there to give the belt greater flexibility for use on smaller pulleys and top allow a better fit to the pulley flanges. All you need to do is find a suitable section that will fit on to your pulleys. You might find it useful to download the Gates catalogue from here:- http://www.beeline.co.uk/gates-drive-belts.aspx and have a look through. Your best bet is to find a local belt stockist - there will be one where-ever you are in the country, and have a talk to them, taking your old belt with you. Once you know what will fit buy 2 - then you'll never need to fit the spare!!!!! Keith |
JasonB | 05/12/2010 13:15:07 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | The belt drive DB8 does have toothed pullies so needs a toothed belt, changing to another pully is not easy as they are integral with the triple V pully wheels.
Gordon, if you follow the link to the BELT drive 6 speed NOT VARIABLE SPEED BD10 clone that Grizzley do you will see by downloading teh manual that it does have the same toothed/V pully arrangement as your lathe just not the same size.
And if you follow the link in the CNCzone thread that I posted you can all see the type of pully arrangement. The poster there specifically says that using other standard belts the teeth soon get out of sync with the pully due to the wrong pitch
My suggestion would be to skim the teeth off the pullies and take them down to the correct OD to suit easily available 5mm metric pitch belts and cut the corresponding number of teeth to suit that dia.
The easiest way to measure the belt pitch would be to count the number of teeth over a given distance, lay it out tooth up on a flat surface.
For an XL pitch you will have 15 teeth over a 3" distance
For a T5 Metric you will have 20 teeth over 100mm
For the 3/16" pitch F profile you will have 16 teeth over 3" Jason Edited By JasonB on 05/12/2010 13:17:01 Edited By JasonB on 05/12/2010 13:19:41 Edited By JasonB on 05/12/2010 13:23:33 |
Gordon W | 05/12/2010 13:24:39 |
2011 forum posts | Jason , that is the very pulley. My plan, if all else fails is to turn the teeth of it, then bore a standard pulley to fit over the outside. If I end with a lower ratio, even better .Will have to the small motor pulley as well, of course. Might even be cheaper in the long run |
Peter G. Shaw | 05/12/2010 14:03:44 |
![]() 1531 forum posts 44 photos | Gordon A, Thanks very much for your reply. As you may well realise, there do not appear to be very many owners of my machine, hence my interest. Regards, Peter G. Shaw |
wheeltapper | 06/12/2010 11:07:28 |
![]() 424 forum posts 98 photos | Hi
Just had some good news from Chester, new belt for a Comet is £14. 95+vat.
nice to know they have them.
Roy |
Gordon W | 06/12/2010 11:50:05 |
2011 forum posts | Glad you've got a belt, W/tapper. I've emailed a couple of USA sources and hope for a result. It's a great pity this has happened 'cos I like the lathe, does just what I need with no electronics. Some obs. which may be of use to others with a similar set-up. I found embedded dirt in the wheel grooves, this may have resulted in belt stretch, clean them out, right down to the bottom. Keep an eye on belt tension, I used the "turn thru' 90 deg." method ,but have no idea what the tension should be. If using faceplate or big 4 jaw there is a huge inertial load to start up, giving it a start by hand helps. ( don't try at home) |
Terryd | 06/12/2010 13:40:11 |
![]() 1946 forum posts 179 photos | Hi All, I don't know these lathes but is not the toothed belt drive used to provide a positive feed to the driven shaft to ensure correct relationship much as the timing belt on a vehicle engine. If so a vee belt solution would not work as slip would be introduced, if not then a vee belt would be a possible solution and would have cost less initially. Why is there a toothed belt, can anyone answer? Terry |
JasonB | 06/12/2010 16:43:02 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | The toothed belt does not link to the spindle or any of the gear train, it is used to drive an intermediate shaft to obtain the lower speeds and I assume the teeth will slip less than a V belt.
Have a look at page 33 of this pdf it shows a similar setup on a 10" grizzley lathe
J |
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