Michael Gilligan | 04/09/2022 07:11:34 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | I don’t want to hi-jack Robin’s thread so I am starting this … Happy to let it live or die as the forum sees fit
. As “Engineers” … How convinced are we by this statement: [quote] How can green gas replace fossil fuels?Across the UK, we still heat our homes and businesses using fossil fuels – mainly natural gas. About 1% of the gas we supply today is green gas from sustainable sources. The rest is carbon neutralised gas – we invest in carbon reduction programmes to cancel out the carbon burned. [/quote] MichaelG. |
jimmy b | 04/09/2022 07:59:43 |
![]() 857 forum posts 45 photos | Have a look at the Ecotricity accounts, directors etc.....................
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Martin Connelly | 04/09/2022 08:28:18 |
![]() 2549 forum posts 235 photos | The farms where I live grow maize to feed the biogas reactors. It is the quickest way to get biomass apparently. They can grow a crop of maize then something else after it is cropped. You can tell it is for biomass as the cropping just shreds the whole plant and squirts the resulting small pieces into a trailer. I don't think grass grows fast enough unless you choose bamboo and that is a bit hard to control and may be more climate sensitive. Martin C
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Roderick Jenkins | 04/09/2022 08:46:16 |
![]() 2376 forum posts 800 photos | Posted by Martin Connelly on 04/09/2022 08:28:18:
The farms where I live grow maize to feed the biogas reactors. It is the quickest way to get biomass apparently. They can grow a crop of maize then something else after it is cropped. You can tell it is for biomass as the cropping just shreds the whole plant and squirts the resulting small pieces into a trailer. Round here I think that farmers use the whole maize plant chopped up to make maize silage for cattle feed. Rod |
Farmboy | 04/09/2022 09:20:12 |
171 forum posts 2 photos | We could possibly produce all our own " green " energy if all farms switched to biomass, solar panels and wind turbines. At least we could keep warm while we are starving to death . . . Perhaps we should look at the vast resource we apparently pump into the sea in the form of raw sewage. It would seem more credible to use that as a source of biomass, with the added benefit of using the solid by-product as fertiliser, and the purified water can be recycled into the reservoirs. Our local water company are already supplying treated sewage water through our taps. One side benefit from this is less limescale in the kettle. Mike. |
larry phelan 1 | 04/09/2022 09:32:25 |
1346 forum posts 15 photos | Anyone fancy a beer ? Thought not ! |
Brian Wood | 04/09/2022 09:51:07 |
2742 forum posts 39 photos | Ecotricity have a product called Vegan Energy; it is grossly expensive and is plain ridiculous in trying to fool the buyers that this is what comes out of their gas main. Whatever next I wonder! Brian |
Michael Gilligan | 04/09/2022 09:58:41 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by jimmy b on 04/09/2022 07:59:43:
Have a look at the Ecotricity accounts, directors etc..................... . Just watching the video that’s linked in that quote was enough for me, Jim MichaelG. |
Dalboy | 04/09/2022 12:32:41 |
![]() 1009 forum posts 305 photos | Does that mean that the government will issue yet another waste bin for grass |
blowlamp | 04/09/2022 12:45:03 |
![]() 1885 forum posts 111 photos | What happens when the grass doesn't grow?
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Martin Kyte | 04/09/2022 13:05:42 |
![]() 3445 forum posts 62 photos | Well, technically yes. If you burn ancient gas then you release Co2 in a linear process. The more gas you use the more CO2 you make. The challenge is to convert the linear process into a closed cycle. One of the was that this can be done is produce your gas from plants, burn the gas making CO2 and heat, harness photosynthesis in a new generation of plants to draw down CO2 and build organic molecules. Ferment or biodigest the organics to make gas and the loop is closed. The energy input is the sun which drives the cycle and the output is heat to your cooker or gas boiler. Downsides are the amount of land you need for energy rather than food and the overall efficiency of the loop. As far as the carbon offsetting is concerned it's a tricky calculation as both behaviour internationally (does it just move the emmissions and consequences abroad) and nationally do we stop doing all the other things that can help the situation. regards Martin |
Nicholas Farr | 04/09/2022 13:23:52 |
![]() 3988 forum posts 1799 photos | Hi, I was thinking much the same as Martin (Blowlamp) if we get many summers like the one we've just had and all the grass turns brown, will they have to suspend using the gas until they can harvest a new crop of grass. I suppose the fuel used in the harvest is in the carbon equation? I haven't read all of their statement. Regards Nick. |
blowlamp | 04/09/2022 13:27:35 |
![]() 1885 forum posts 111 photos | It's a scam. Since when were grass clippings packed with enough energy to power anything more than a lukewarm composter?
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Tony Pratt 1 | 04/09/2022 13:30:32 |
2319 forum posts 13 photos | It's the old problem 'heat or eat' if you use all the fields for grass, as farmboy says 'At least we could keep warm while we are starving to death ' Tony |
Roger Williams 2 | 04/09/2022 13:36:15 |
368 forum posts 7 photos | The green brigade ( theyre definitely green allright ) have been at it again, plus brainless politicians ..... Edited By Roger Williams 2 on 04/09/2022 13:37:01 |
File Handle | 04/09/2022 13:38:59 |
250 forum posts | Using agricultural land to produce energy reduces the amount of food that we can produce, so solves one problem by creating another. For too long finite resources have been assumed to be infinite. The real problem is always ignored, that there are simply too many people trying to consume these resources. However, if we get to the position of producing an excess of green electricity, this could be used to hydrolyse water to produce hydrogen (and oxygen) to provide a clean fuel. |
J Hancock | 04/09/2022 13:42:37 |
869 forum posts | Sailing ships and windmills seemed quite successful at the time. I wonder what is the biggest difference between then ............. and now ? |
Joseph Noci 1 | 04/09/2022 14:42:29 |
1323 forum posts 1431 photos | Posted by Keith Wyles on 04/09/2022 13:38:59:
Using agricultural land to produce ........... However, if we get to the position of producing an excess of green electricity, this could be used to hydrolyse water to produce hydrogen (and oxygen) to provide a clean fuel. Or just use the excess of green electricity... |
Mike Poole | 04/09/2022 14:54:53 |
![]() 3676 forum posts 82 photos | I think we need to acknowledge that there are simply too many people on this planet and all the resources are finite. If fusion does solve our energy problem we still need food. We may eventually produce products to sustain life that may be enjoyable to eat as well as nourish us. While we still can I will have a steak and a pint of real ale. Mike Edited By Mike Poole on 04/09/2022 14:55:30 |
Michael Gilligan | 04/09/2022 14:59:00 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | … and nobody’s even mentioned all that concrete they are pouring to make these Green Gas generators. MichaelG. |
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