2040 deadline for Diesel and Petrol cars.

The Government has announced a ban on Diesel and Petrol car sales from 2040! No scrappage scheme announced!

So we will be all electric or Bikes by then?

Then to re-charge all these wonderful electric beasts we will also need 5 new Hinkley style power stations.

France also recently announced a similar ruling. I bet the USA does not?

What will they do with all the scrap cars, send them to Africa.?

What will happen about HGV's with a smaller operating radius?

Clive, All in the name of clean air.

Just propaganda to keep the lawyers at bay

It will happen eventually, as the electric infrastructure builds, say 2060?

90% of us in here will all be together in that great machineshop in the sky before we see it methinks

Hydrogen vehicles may also be more common

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Other interesting car news

The number of people aged over 90 holding a driving licence in Britain has topped 100,000 for the first time.

Figures from the DVLA also show more than 4.5 million of the 39 million people holding valid driving licences are aged over 70

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40715377

Edited By Ady1 on 26/07/2017 09:48:58

a ban on Diesel and Petrol car sales from 2040!

They did not say that. You missed out the word 'new'! My car is 15 years old and still going.

For a start they can get rid of "speed bumps", all the slowing and speeding up must increase pollution (and unnecessary wear and tear, damage to tyres etc.

You could always charge it from your petrol generator !

" Bring back steam and sail "

regards Martin

;0)

Get the freight of the roads and back on an enhanced railway system where it belongs.

Rik

+1 Rik - open up the disused lines and make use of what we have

How long before fuel stations convert to Hydrogen? no mention of the Hydrogen economy

Follow the money trail. As long as there is the ability to produce diesel & petrol fuel, it will be sold and consumed somewhere. The world air currents don't recognise borders or government bans.

Edited By Mike E. on 26/07/2017 10:57:02

Looks as though I will be OK with my 1931 Austin Seven as the announcement only mentions new registrations.

Brian

Seem to be missing the point, they will ban the SALE of NEW fossil fuel cars 2040 BUT what is the life of a current car 15 maybe 20 years so now we are talking 2070 before we fully covert

AND that assumes the alternatives can be developed in a similar time frame

example how many batteries does it take to power a 40T truck from lands end to john o groats, how many recharges

don't think our generation need worry just yet

So you can forget Ni Cad its now more like Ni Impossible

Edited By Trevorh on 26/07/2017 11:10:03

Given the rate at which battery technology has progressed, unless a new disruptive technology appears, it appears to me this is a cunning plan to force road freight onto rail

Which would be no bad thing as it is where it belongs - more rail infrastructure projects anyone?

Light blue touchpaper and retire to a safe distance

My understanding is the ban is just for straight petrol & or diesel cars. Hybrid vehicles will fine.

This is all just a load of tosh - there won't be any solo petrol/diesel powered vehicles in 23 years anyway - and I wouldn't be at all surprised if most people haven't gone all electric by then anyway.

Production of the new Tesla Model 3 has already begun, it offers a proper sized car, competing with your Mondeo's and 3 to 5 series BMW's and A4 Audi's, not just on size, but on price too. The base model will have 215 mile range (likely about 180 in the real world at a guess) and the top model will have a 300 mile range (260 ish in the real world I guess). The batteries can currently be charged in 30-45 minutes at a charging station, and I have noticed them up and down the motorway services - I think you'd be ready for a break after driving that far! A full "tank" is a few quid, no more than £3 if I recall correct.

They're also doing a home storage system, which comes with or connects to a renewable energy source, it banks power throughout the day, and transfers it to your car at night - free energy, minus initial investment - but with fuel prices as high as they are, its all getting bought up!

It's £1000 (completely refundable) to get your name on the waiting list, and the waiting list is already 12 months long and they're only just starting production.

Get ready for the electric takeover, and chuckle when someone says petrol/diesel will be banned by 2040...... there won't be much left to ban!

Eventually transport probably be out of the control of a personal driver be like giant scalelectric.

Speed will be automatically controlled there are experimental full size driverless racing cars being developed according to one of my speed contacts.

Things change and doubt you can do anything about it.

The Tesla Model 3 mentioned above has full autopilot as standard. If it weren't for the safety interlocks - there wouldn't need to be a driver.

https://vimeo.com/192179726

Not a bad vehicle for a under £25k GBP

Edited By Russ B on 26/07/2017 11:39:16

This all originates at the UN (united nations) or united nazis as i prefer to call them.It is part of their agenda 21 which states that later this century there will be no private vehicles allowed on the roads.The plan also included getting people out of rural areas and into the citys.

Man has been steadily polluting the world for millenia. It's just that there are more of us, with the better technology, to do it more effectively.

Hydrogen as a fuel is not necessarily the way to remove pollution.

Burning anything in air, can produce high enough temperatures to oxidise the Nitrogen, so it may not just be water leaving the tail[pipe.

And the Hydrogen will have been produced by electrolysis; so burning fossil fuels, solar, hydro, wave, wind power, or nuclear, as the initial power source?

And currently, in UK we transport goods by road that are too large to fit into the loading gauge of all the railways.

So vast expenditure on infrastructure to enlarge the loading gauge, and to electrify every inch of railway, (so that we don't have to use internal combustion or steam power, ANYWHERE) ?

And maritime transport presumably will rely either on sail or nuclear power? The Galley may not be the place to cook, just to row!

But cheer up! Public road transport will be clean and cheap, there will be bicycle pedals and cranks at every seat; but just don't get on an empty bus!

At least I shan't be around to see the mess made by the technically ignorant ideologues running (did I omit an i from that word?) the country.

Howard

We need some leadership from the government to give a boost to R&D IMHO and this is as good as anything they've come up with so far.

We might have left Europe by 2040. We'll be eating goodness knows what (GM fruit and veg, hormone and chlorinated meat etc), with sea levels lapping at our ankles (from Greenland - I'm glad I don't live on Portsea Island anymore) but at least air pollution levels may be set to improve .

Jon

Has anyone on here got real evidence of how much an electric car costs to charge?

not hearsay or manufactures figures but real it cost me 40 units to do 40 miles sort of evidence

A company i do work for has just bought a mitsubishi plug in hybrid 4wd car and so far hes not had the petrol engine start up he says it should have a range of 50 miles or so on pure battery.

i offered to lend him a electricity meter to see how much it cost to charge he declined as he doesnt want to know.....

anyway has anyone got real evidence in real world conditions

Edited By Ian Parkin on 26/07/2017 12:03:05

"We need some leadership from the government"

A definite optimist, and if we re-expand the railways for freight (like it used to be) forget the "Instant" deliveries we've grown to expect. Might have to reinvent three wheeled tractor units in rail depots? and how is this going to fit in with the idiotic HS2???????????

Transport, public and commercial have been a joke for years.

Regards Ian.

It occurs to me that cycling may have an overall negative effect on emissions, the queue of cars and trucks crawling along looking for a safe place to pass and then having to briskly accelerate to pass safely could easily negate the good done by the cyclist. More safe cycle paths are required for the safety of cyclists and to keep traffic moving freely and as efficiently as possible.

Mike