Conversion Chart

David
Also the ME taps and dies mentioned in most drawings.

Bob

Hi There

This is obviously a popular idea.

It is all systems go.

I think two charts on the centre pages so readers can photocopy as A3 or A4 is the way to go.

Fortunately I have quite a few charts and things I can use as a basis without infringing copyright as long as I check them as correct. You can't really copyright a thread depth dimension for instance.

I will expand the remit a bit to include other useful information such as screwcutting etc. Hole centres for pitching out on a PCD springs to mind. Solution of triangles as mentioned by someone.

I will make sure each chart ingludes the issue number so you don't have to search for it when it gets dirty or otherwise defaced.

Any other suggestions welcome.

I would also like someone who would be prepared to double check the charts before publication.

regards David

regards David

Hi There

Anyone got any information on the ME thread series.

I have that from the ME handbook by Tubal Cain but would like a couple of alternative versions and any other information about this thread.

What depth of thread engagement do you use?

For what purpose would you use an ME thread other than boiler fittings and pipe connections etc.

Also, similar information on BA sizes would be useful.

regards David

Hi David,
Here is one table as a result of Googling "model engineering threads"

Here is a table of BA thread data.

Les.

Hi David,

If you produce a number of A4 panels, perhaps 4 per issue, a banner - type advert could be put along bottom edge and as someone else said, be there till chart fell to pieces. Obvious one = MyHobbyStore or MyTimeMedia BUT charge for some to pay for it! Perhaps a general castings house like College Engrg and Chronos,Warco,RDG, G&M Tools, " Uncle Tom Cobleigh & all!. " Good luck with it, looking forward to seeing results.

John

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John,

Sorry to appear mean, but ...

That's fine; provided that the pages are additional to the editorial content.

However; if they are counted within the editorial content, then "someone" is already paying for it [i.e. the purchaser of the magazine!]

MichaelG.

David ... Could you please clarify ?

Hi There

They would be from the existing 68 pages but that does not stop us charging for sponsorship.

It does take time to create them.

regards David

As I feared

MichaelG.

Can't be helped.

I can't increase the page count by 16 as the pages are printed in multiples of 16 excluding the cover.

regards david

Edited By David Clark 1 on 26/03/2013 17:15:30

Just one point... have acare what is printed on reverse..( ideally more of the same) since if cuttout to bind seperatly then don't want to wreck rest of mag...

Hi Jason

The idea is to photocopy and reuse.

However, I might be able to arrange that adverts are printed on the back.

regards david

i dont want to be paying for anything i that i can already get from the internet with a little time spent searching. if all these charts are going to be taking content away from the magazine that i pay for then im not interested in any way.

im quite happy to accept them as a free pullout in ADDITION to the regular content, which is what i thought we were all talking about in the first place, but NOT as a replacement for regular content.

I don't think the Editorial team would remove any of the content just to fit in a chart but rather use this as filling when there is space to do so .

If a few of the regular advertizers come on board and sponsor them then everybody would benifit as well.

Having something like this could help to fill the center fold of the magazine when there is space as not all article fit together perfectly as some are one page only and others may run for a few issues .

In the long run we will never lose as we have no control over the content anyhow !

There are articles that are interesting to some and not the others so we just have to cop what we are dealt .

I know that there may be some who have every chart ever written and may not need these but there are the newcomers who may not have the technical library , money or time to source these and therefore would appreciate MEW doing these charts .

There is a lot of info on the internet that is wrong or unsuitable for Model Engineers so as David mentioned earlier in this thread some one will need to check them .

I subscribe so what ever is in the Magazine is what is - so if i want to see something in the Magazine i let the Editor know so that they can keep an eye out for relevant articles .

Ian

Thanks to Slotdriller for stating what must be the right attitude to the content of "MEW".

I've been rather surprised and disappointed at some of the posts above which have more or less said "well I don't want these charts unless they are in addition to the normal conent of the mag because I can look such stuff up on the internet any time I like".

That must be, as Slotdriller has pointed out, a very unrealistic approach. The publishers of "MEW" are producing the mag to make money. Their beancounters have done their sums and know the cost of paying the authors, typesetting the pages, printing and binding them, then distributing them. Those costs are offset against the income of subscriptions, "casual" sales from bookstalls, and advertising. Hopefully that total income exceeds the total cost by a margin, otherwise no profit.

The only control of these costs and incomes the publishers have in advance of producing the issue is in limiting the number of pages they print for that issue. Get that number wrong and the publisher soon goes out of business (examples of which we have all seen over the years).

In the case of "MEW", David has told us that the "magic number" is 68 pages and all he has done is given us the opportunity to say in advance what will be the content of some of those 68 pages. Change that 68 page "balance" (even if he is able to) and the bean counters will NOT be happy bunnies - for obvious reasons!

For someone to say that they don't want a certain content is, IMHO, complete nonsense - especially for the reason "because I can look it up on the internet". One can look up anything one likes on the internet today, and a lot of that will have nothing whatever to do with models, engineering, or workshops! The internet is one of the problems all publishers are facing today, so in effect, anyone who buys any magazine is actually buying it IN SPITE of what can be found on the internet. That's each individual buyer's choice.

To me, all that has happened here is that in David we have an Editor who is decent enough and aware enough to ask us in advance what we want part of those fixed 68 pages to consist of. How often does that happen with any other magazine?

To respond by saying "I don't what a certain content unless it is additional to the fixed 68 pages" is completely unrealistic as well as unreasonable.

My thoughts for whatever they may be worth.

Thanks David Clark.

AES

Can I introduce a word of caution regarding charts. I have a whole collection of the cards provided by MEW in the past to form a workshop data book and I don't think many ever get read. By all means have a few charts, but stick to things that get a lot of use in the workshop and don't let the whole thing grow like topsy.

Doug

Well said, Doug

If this is done, it needs doing well

MichaelG.

Hi There

You are all ovelooking the most important thing.

NOT EVERYONE has access to the Internet.

More people think the charts are a good idea than the few who do not.

I will be creating the charts, I do not get paid any extra.

Yes, they need to be checked and I do need to go back to first principles so I can't be accused of copyright infringement although I doubt you can copyright a list of constants.

Also, you, the readers, will have a say in what we do decide to publish.

regards David

Its most useful (to me) if tapping drills etc are all metric but I guess some will prefer imperial depends on your drill stock! I would find % engagement sizes particularly useful.

This will be a useful starting point for a magasine as so many people have contributed their views before the publication - something not often available for the editor to consider. Hence I'm looking forward to it!

SteveW

Hi SteveW

Imperial and metric will be given.

regards David

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Although it's fair to say that everyone contributing to this discussion does

Seriously though, David ... the Shetack circular device [as shown earlier in this thread] is the best implementation I have ever seen. I still use the one inherited from my Father.

Instead of simple charts; could you maybe produce a pattern for something similar ?

MichaelG.

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More info on the Shetack here

and some very good images here

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Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/03/2013 10:07:07