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Donald Mitchell16/07/2010 13:28:18
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What's going on chaps in the editorial department !!!
Firstly, a big thank you for getting my M.E. 4382 issue to me on Thursday 15th July - full marks.
But what is going on - it's a model engineering magazine - I want model engineering in the mag (and on the front cover) for my hard earned cash - if I want Massey Ferguson tractors I'll buy a Classic Tractor mag. - if I want classic bikes I'll buy Classic Bike mag. - if I want classic cars I'll buy a classic car mag. None of these pictures were of models and I didn't see any mention of model engineering in the text either.
I don't want to be paying for nice pictures of rolling English landscape in my M.E. either; I'm severly disgruntled.
In my opinion an artical such as this vintage rally one has no place in M.E.
David, in your usual appeal for articles in your Smoke Rings, you state that, and I quote,  " I do have quite a few in hand, in fact, I probably have more in hand for Model Engineer than I do for Model Engineers Workshop" 
Can I have a model engineering magazine confined to model engineering please?
 
Donald Mitchell
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I see plenty Scottish rolling landscape when I look out of the workshop door, for free !
John Stevenson16/07/2010 19:42:25
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It must have been a model to fit on an A4 sized cover.
 
John S.
wotsit16/07/2010 20:19:50
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Lucky man - I just wish I could get one of my subscription copies on the publication date, never mind one or two days before.- anyway, who reads the cover? - it can be blank for all I care.
chris stephens16/07/2010 22:38:28
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Might I point out that without full size, you would not have models.
As for the rolling hills of Devon, without them we would not have Cream teas and that would be a great shame.
chriStephens 
JasonB17/07/2010 07:53:12
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Have to agree with Chris there, I don't hear complaints when a full size loco or traction engine is on the cover. There are people (not many)  who make model tractors so why can't they have some inspiration on the cover How would someone make something like this without photo's
 
There were also several traction engines, stationary engines and an old lathe in the article
 
Jaso

Edited By Kelvin Barber on 21/07/2010 09:19:54

Engine Builder17/07/2010 09:06:33
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I thought Old Glory magazine had arrived by mistake. 4 pages on a vintage Rally isn't model engineering. We even get to see the same tractor picture thats on the cover again in the article.
I have bought every copy of MEW since the first issue but have just cancelled by subscription. I am reading the same items in each magazine. 
The editorial is the same and the same products are reviewed.
I shall probably be cancelling ME soon too. I have subscribed since 1984.
Ian Abbott17/07/2010 20:26:29
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Chris and Jason get the point.
 
First, the model bit.  ME has always looked to the original as the inspiration and detail for the models.   There are members of this site who build scale model motorcycles, cars and their engines, traction engines, stationary engines and farm machinery.  It’s not size that matters here, but the desire share information and use engineering methods to achieve an end.
 
 Second, all of the machinery exhibited at the South Hams Meet, with the exception probably of my Royal Enfield, have taken their owners thousands of hours work, using exactly the same technology as model engineers to rebuild and remanufacture magnificent pieces of equipment. 
 

Or, could it be that instead of a steam tractor on the front cover, the offence is caused because the editor has chosen one of its humble internal combustion driven brethren.

 

Ian


 
JasonB17/07/2010 20:41:04
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The one thing I will disagree with is the description of the said tractor its a MF 65 not 35.
 
And before anyone assumes i'm a tractor anorack, I'm not its just that one of my clients has just bought a 65.
 
Jason
Ian Abbott18/07/2010 19:56:44
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That would be either my fault typing it in, or the program was wrong.  Mind you, I used to work for Massey Ferguson, so I have no excuse, where the program is just a piece of paper.
 
Ian 
JasonB18/07/2010 20:10:34
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I just looked at the number on the side
Stub Mandrel18/07/2010 22:29:37
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I can't agree. Right through its history ME has regularly featured likely prototypes for models on its cover, and carried reviews of full size steam rallies.
 
My retirement project is a quarter-scale Fordson.
 
I'll go for anything that dilutes the railway content a little.
 

 
Neil
chris stephens18/07/2010 23:03:44
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Hi Guys,
There was a time when ME used to have articles  for things like full size cine projectors or domestic refrigerators, it was never for just models or railways, how times have changed. 
chriStephens 
Ian S C19/07/2010 04:54:08
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Gidday, its not the first time a Fergie has been on the cover, there was one yrs ago, think it was owned and driven by Dr ------(can't remember his name), but if we did'nt have these images every now and then-- well we'v got to get ideas from some where, and different people get there ideas in different ways.Ian S C
Keith19/07/2010 16:16:27
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Don't see a problem with the picture - anything that inspires future models can only be to the good. It did look odd to me as a 35 - but MF did produce some hybrid tractors that were for export - I once drove one that didn't make it out of the country.
Peter G. Shaw19/07/2010 16:48:25
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Hey, that's not a MF35: it's a MF65.
 
For a start, the '35 type had a similar front grill to the orginal Grey Fergie (TED20). Secondly, the front axle of the '35 was the same as or similar to the TED20.
Thirdly, the '35 had similar wheels to the TED20.
 
I admit it doesn't look as big as I remember the '65, but we all know how reliable 40 year old memory is.
 
How do I know? Spent many happy hours on top of a TED20, drove at a friends farm the original Grey '35, and finally had the memorable experience of driving a '65 with only one brake working! And that was on a Yorkshire hill farm.
 
Finally, have a look at this: http://www.tractordata.co.uk/massey_ferguson/pages/massey_ferguson_65_1962/index.htm.
 
Alternatively just type in to Google MF 65 and look at second item down. 
 
FWIW, I always thought the '65 to be big and numb whilst the '35 was a useful little tractor good in confined spaces.
 
By the way, although I don't take ME anymore (it doesn't appeal to me), I remember there being a picture of a John Deere tractor on the front - big single cylinder jobby I think and which required a starting pistol cartridge to get it running.
 
I also think someone did a model landrover once. Apache? That also appeared on the front. As has a Triumph motorbike in MEW.
 
Anyway, I like the Fergie - brought back some memories!

Regards,
 
Peter G. Shaw

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Donald Mitchell19/07/2010 18:17:08
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You're all missing my point! (except Engine Builder)
 
It doesn't matter a monkey's if it is an MF 35 or a 65
 
The whole point of my original posting is why is there a vintage rally report in a model engineering magazine - surely that sort of report belongs in other magazines ?
 
I pay out my hard earned dosh for engineering in my M.E.
 
 Donald Mitchell
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Edited By Kelvin Barber on 21/07/2010 09:11:44

Ian Abbott19/07/2010 20:06:14
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But it is engineering.  Was the full size stationary engine on the front cover a while ago not appropriate either, or the full size traction engine, or perhaps the full size motor vehicle?  Sometimes we make 1:1 scale models of clocks, do they count?
 
Ian 
Engine Builder19/07/2010 20:51:30
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Posted by Donald Mitchell on 19/07/2010 18:17:08:
You're all missing my point! (except Engine Builder)
 
It doesn't matter a monkey's if it is an MF 35 or a 65
 
The whole point of my original posting is why is there a vintage rally report in a model engineering magazine - surely that sort of report belongs in other magazines ?
 
I pay out my hard earned dosh for engineering in my M.E.
 
 Donald Mitchell
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Looks like you and me are alone on this one Donald!

Edited By Kelvin Barber on 21/07/2010 09:12:55

chris stephens19/07/2010 21:06:54
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Hi Donald,
If you have not realized that "Model Engineer" is a euphemism for all forms of Engineering, other than the real "Heavy" stuff, I think you are, perhaps, reading the magazine for the wrong reasons.
 
Vintage rally contents are aspirational  for the rest of us, who would not love to own a full size Traction Engine or even a humble Hit and Miss stationary engine or perhaps even a farm Tractor! Most of us have to settle for tiny versions.(boo hiss)
 
Lighten up and read the bits you find interesting and ignore the rest, just like the rest of us, more or less, satisfied readers do. It is completely impossible to satisfy all of the people all of the time or do you think the magazine should be solely aimed at you alone?
chriStephens 
 
Well said Chris, I think you have succinctly summed the whole matter up!
Kelvin Barber

Edited By Kelvin Barber on 21/07/2010 09:17:23

Donald Mitchell19/07/2010 21:15:33
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Ian, you're still missing my point.
 
I'm not greatly bothered about the tractor on the front cover, I'm quite happy with machinery of any sort on the cover; although I would prefer it to be a model.
 
Once again, its the suitability of a report of a vintage rally within M.E. which I'm questioning, rather than model engineering - of any sort.
 
I think I'll give up and shut up now.
 
Happy engineering all.
 
 Donald Mitchell
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Bonnie Scotland
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