Take your lump of coal and be grateful...
UncouthJ | 20/11/2020 12:11:38 |
143 forum posts 39 photos | Spotted the Xmas subscription offer this morning. Somewhat of a maths fail though... £20 does not 37%off of £22.50 make! Edited By Jay Nugent 1 on 20/11/2020 12:12:10 |
JasonB | 20/11/2020 12:33:45 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | But the real art is in being able to read and look at the other numbers, try it based on the cover price of £31.50 for six issues |
J Hancock | 20/11/2020 12:46:25 |
869 forum posts | Here's one to impress your children. The half times table, the easy way, only 'squared numbers' though. 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 = 2 1/4 Now in all cases subtract 1/2 from first number , add 1/2 to second number, multiply together and add 1/4. So, 7 1/2 x 7 1/2 = 56 1/4 etc, etc.
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pgk pgk | 20/11/2020 12:49:17 |
2661 forum posts 294 photos | J Hancock
Or try to get your kids to use The Trachtenberg Speed system pgk |
not done it yet | 20/11/2020 13:12:22 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by J Hancock on 20/11/2020 12:46:25:
Here's one to impress your children. The half times table, the easy way, only 'squared numbers' though. 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 = 2 1/4 Now in all cases subtract 1/2 from first number , add 1/2 to second number, multiply together and add 1/4. So, 7 1/2 x 7 1/2 = 56 1/4 etc, etc.
Simple one that. The easy way to work out any number squared by using simple algebra.😀 ——— 2 x 2 = ? Easy maths add one and subtract one gives 1 x 3, which is easy maths. Multiply the number added and taken away by itself, so 1 x 1 = 1, which is easy maths Now add the two results together. 3 + 1 = 4, which is easy maths. ———- Easy because you can choose the number added and subtracted to make an easy multiplication for yourself. Derived from (a+b)(a-b) which works out as a^2 - b^2. You then add b^2 to that answer to find a^2.🙂. Easy, ennit? ———- In your case, the half squared is one quarter. It’s what makes algebra such a useful mathematical tool.😀 |
Martin Kyte | 20/11/2020 13:41:41 |
![]() 3445 forum posts 62 photos | 5/4 of the population don't understand fractions. :O) Martin
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not done it yet | 20/11/2020 13:53:57 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by Martin Kyte on 20/11/2020 13:41:41:
5/4 of the population don't understand fractions. :O) Martin Like “I want my half to be bigger than your half”?🙂 Or even understanding that half the population is below average?🙂 |
John Haine | 20/11/2020 14:48:59 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 13:53:57:
.....🙂 Or even understanding that half the population is below average?🙂
Sorry to be pedantic but that's half below the median. Same thing for a symmetric distribution but not all distributions are symmetric. |
Paul L | 20/11/2020 15:04:59 |
![]() 87 forum posts 26 photos | According to the governments own figures 27% of children have substandard reading ability. 38% of them cannot write adequately, and the other 39% cannot add up. The youf of today eh.
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not done it yet | 20/11/2020 15:17:56 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by John Haine on 20/11/2020 14:48:59:
Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 13:53:57:
.....🙂 Or even understanding that half the population is below average?🙂
Sorry to be pedantic but that's half below the median. Same thing for a symmetric distribution but not all distributions are symmetric. Do you really think that half the population would know the difference between ’mean, median or mode’? If you have a skewed distribution the median can be different from the mean - not what most think of as ‘the average’. The mode could be a long way off with just one very clever individual (unless outliers are ignored), so lets just stick to plain old ‘average’ which most would have some idea of what it means.🙂 |
Michael Gilligan | 20/11/2020 15:58:10 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 15:17:56:
Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 13:53:57:
.....🙂 Or even understanding that half the population is below average?🙂
[…] so lets just stick to plain old ‘average’ which most would have some idea of what it means.🙂 . .... and has the added advantage of letting you keep repeating your remark. MichaelG. |
Georgineer | 20/11/2020 15:59:55 |
652 forum posts 33 photos | Posted by Martin Kyte on 20/11/2020 13:41:41:
5/4 of the population don't understand fractions. :O) Martin That's an improper comment! George B. |
Georgineer | 20/11/2020 16:22:31 |
652 forum posts 33 photos | Posted by J Hancock on 20/11/2020 12:46:25:
Here's one to impress your children. The half times table, the easy way, only 'squared numbers' though. 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 = 2 1/4 Now in all cases subtract 1/2 from first number , add 1/2 to second number, multiply together and add 1/4. So, 7 1/2 x 7 1/2 = 56 1/4 etc, etc. The way I was taught, which amounts to the same thing, was:
I've also found it useful to convert to decimals, as:
Then it can be multiplied by factors of ten, as:
I acquired all sorts of dodges over the years, and it was very gratifying when teaching A-stream GCSE pupils to show that I could work out answers on the blackboard while they were still fumbling for their calculators. George B.
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Neil Wyatt | 20/11/2020 18:56:02 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 15:17:56:
Posted by John Haine on 20/11/2020 14:48:59:
Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 13:53:57:
.....🙂 Or even understanding that half the population is below average?🙂
Sorry to be pedantic but that's half below the median. Same thing for a symmetric distribution but not all distributions are symmetric. Do you really think that half the population would know the difference between ’mean, median or mode’? If you have a skewed distribution the median can be different from the mean - not what most think of as ‘the average’. The mode could be a long way off with just one very clever individual (unless outliers are ignored), so lets just stick to plain old ‘average’ which most would have some idea of what it means.🙂 If you are talking in terms of IQ, then half the population are below average by definition. This is because IQ tests are calibrated to have a normal distribution centred on 100. Neil |
UncouthJ | 20/11/2020 19:12:11 |
143 forum posts 39 photos | Posted by JasonB on 20/11/2020 12:33:45:
But the real art is in being able to read and look at the other numbers, try it based on the cover price of £31.50 for six issues But we’re not buying individual issues, we’re buying 6 which retails at £22.50... J |
Kiwi Bloke | 20/11/2020 19:40:35 |
912 forum posts 3 photos | Posted by Neil Wyatt on 20/11/2020 18:56:02:
Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 15:17:56:
Posted by John Haine on 20/11/2020 14:48:59:
Posted by not done it yet on 20/11/2020 13:53:57:
.....🙂 Or even understanding that half the population is below average?🙂
Sorry to be pedantic but that's half below the median. Same thing for a symmetric distribution but not all distributions are symmetric. Do you really think that half the population would know the difference between ’mean, median or mode’? If you have a skewed distribution the median can be different from the mean - not what most think of as ‘the average’. The mode could be a long way off with just one very clever individual (unless outliers are ignored), so lets just stick to plain old ‘average’ which most would have some idea of what it means.🙂 If you are talking in terms of IQ, then half the population are below average by definition. This is because IQ tests are calibrated to have a normal distribution centred on 100. Neil It's a con trick. IQ test results are ordinally scaled, which means that a symmetrical distribution curve results. Mean and median scores will therefore coincide, and it appears that there are equal numbers of smart and stupid people in the population (without defining 'smart' and 'stupid' because it's difficult...). However, this scaling process is a mathematical 'fudge', and the unequal intervals between the variable's scores ('intelligence' or test results scores) are obscured. There are far more mechanisms around that impair the performance of a complex mechanism than can enhance it (brains are easily damaged or don't develop well) thus the real distribution curve of frequency versus 'intelligence', if the variable 'intelligence' is plotted with a linear scale, is very significantly skewed towards the stupid. However, pointing that out is undoubtedly even less politically correct than pointing out that some people are smarter than others. |
old mart | 20/11/2020 20:05:30 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | One thing that annoys me is when a figure of over 100% is mentioned. Even the power of gas turbines is often a figure over 100%. |
John Olsen | 20/11/2020 20:47:27 |
1294 forum posts 108 photos 1 articles | Gas turbines are a machine that can be run at a higher power than nominal for a short period of time. So if it is rated in terms of maximum continuous power, it may well be capable of more than 100% of that, for a short time. This is actually a useful feature for aircraft, where the ability to get a bit extra for takeoff is quite useful. (Of course they are usually rated in terms of static thrust.) The space shuttle main engines used to be throttled up to more than 100% for some parts of the ascent too. But then that was a pretty dodgy machine at the best of times. John |
Nigel Graham 2 | 21/11/2020 00:13:17 |
3293 forum posts 112 photos | I don't think it's fair to criticise people for not knowing the niceties of Statistics, if like me they have never been taught them, or were taught badly; and are now faced daily with a bewildering assortment of numbers and characteristics only ever described as above, below or at, an unstated " average ". Things like the lowest of a range of three being denoted the "medium ", spring to mind... I don't know what modern school maths syllabi are like, but statistics were not in the GCE O-Level in my generation's time (mid-1960s). Or if they were, only to an extremely basic level as in as in 5 being the "average " of 3,4,5,6,7. Nor do I recall Statistics being in a GCSE Course I took for work reasons in the 1990s, although they have a chapter in the set text-book I bought for that course, and still have.
By " taught badly " I mean taught merely a loose assortment of dull topics to be memorised for an exam, rather than also having any meaning in everyday life or work. Often too, the topics presented appear so far removed from many people's lives, that anything beyond basic arithmetic becomes rejected. For example, that GCSE course included Matrices, taught as merely boxes of sums and abstract moves having no purpose, no link to any other mathematics and indeed even having no meaning. (I later learnt elsewhere that Matrices are an ancient Pure Mathematics concept originally called Determinants, but finding a modern use in Finite Element Analysis - hardly a GCSE topic.) The course did not cover all topics in that text-book, which incidentally includes arithmetic of a level many of us would remember from Primary, not Secondary, school! === "Average " .... Having been taught (not " having learnt " |
Michael Gilligan | 21/11/2020 00:30:23 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Nigel, This is a clear, and mercifully brief, description of the Mean/ Median / Mode https://www.tutor2u.net/geography/reference/mean-median-and-mode It is genuinely useful to appreciate the distinction ... Hope it helps MichaelG. |
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