Martin King 2 | 17/07/2018 18:08:32 |
![]() 1129 forum posts 1 photos | Hi All, Just got back from buying a lot of workshop kit and this unusual item was in one of the boxes. I have no idea what it is? Possibly some sort of level??? Seems to have some sort of mirror inside and appears to be very sensitive to movement. Any thoughts will be most welcome please. Regards, Martin |
SillyOldDuffer | 17/07/2018 18:27:18 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | I think its a mirror galvanometer for precisely zeroing a Wheatstone Bridge. A beam of light is bounced off the mirror onto a distant screen to greatly amplify the scale of any movement. The meter is likely to be very sensitive and best practice is to short the terminals out to dampen any movement in storage. It also has a mechanical clamp. Dave |
SteveW | 17/07/2018 18:38:08 |
![]() 140 forum posts 11 photos | Mirror galvanometer to detect balance point on a Wheatstone bridge? Hint on the picture which shows circuit. Clamp stops the device from swinging free and potentially damaging itself in transport or storage. SOD beat me to it! Edited By SteveW on 17/07/2018 18:40:03 |
Mike Poole | 17/07/2018 18:45:06 |
![]() 3676 forum posts 82 photos | It may be the works of a spot reflecting galvanometer the main scale and the rest of the box are missing.
Mike Well while I was looking I was beaten to the answer, but it seems to be three votes for a mirror galvanometer. Edited By Mike Poole on 17/07/2018 18:47:31 |
Neil Wyatt | 17/07/2018 18:48:06 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | It's been done. Clamp/free locks the movement. By reflecting a narrow beam off the mirror onto a remote scale it provide an incredibly sensitive way of comparing the ratios of two pairs of resistors. Neil |
Martin King 2 | 17/07/2018 19:20:27 |
![]() 1129 forum posts 1 photos | Thanks very much to one and all, what a great place this is! Cheers, Martin |
paul rushmer | 17/07/2018 20:04:34 |
104 forum posts 17 photos | If my memory is correct that was made by Cambridge Instruments cam in a bridge !! Paul |
larneyin | 17/07/2018 21:57:02 |
17 forum posts 19 photos | Used to repair them many years ago Eyesight was keener and hands steadier then |
Howard Lewis | 18/07/2018 20:21:18 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | The wire across the terminals is to short the movement when travelling and minimise pointer movement. Needed, because it is a very sensitive piece of kit. A light beam, reflected off the mirror has no measureable weight or inertia. A long "pointer" is therefore obtainable for maximum accuracy. Howard |
Neil Wyatt | 18/07/2018 20:35:12 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Posted by Howard Lewis on 18/07/2018 20:21:18:
A light beam, reflected off the mirror has no measureable weight or inertia. But it does have momentum Neil |
peak4 | 18/07/2018 21:12:23 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by Neil Wyatt on 18/07/2018 20:35:12:
Posted by Howard Lewis on 18/07/2018 20:21:18:
A light beam, reflected off the mirror has no measureable weight or inertia. But it does have momentum Neil As soon as I read this, I thought "Crookes Radiometer" and went to look for a suitable article in order to provide a hyperlink On reading the above link, I then found that what I'd been taught at school seems to be wrong; I do like learning new things.
Bill |
Ian P | 18/07/2018 21:12:39 |
![]() 2747 forum posts 123 photos | Posted by Neil Wyatt on 18/07/2018 20:35:12:
Posted by Howard Lewis on 18/07/2018 20:21:18:
A light beam, reflected off the mirror has no measureable weight or inertia. But it does have momentum Neil With my pedant hat on... I don't think the light beam has any momentum Ian P |
Frances IoM | 18/07/2018 21:39:51 |
1395 forum posts 30 photos | Ian according to James Clerk Maxwell a light beam does have momentum - eg see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail |
not done it yet | 19/07/2018 06:19:17 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Let’s think about it from Einstein’s point of view. E = mc^2 If light actually had zero mass, that equation would always equal zero! Wave-particle duality applies? |
Neil Wyatt | 19/07/2018 09:40:10 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Momentum of a photon = frequency x planck constant www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tdm/solarsail/index.html Edited By Neil Wyatt on 19/07/2018 09:45:07 |
SillyOldDuffer | 19/07/2018 09:48:13 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by not done it yet on 19/07/2018 06:19:17:
Let’s think about it from Einstein’s point of view. E = mc^2 ...If only I could! Can anyone explain how E=mc² is derived? I understand the root to be evidence from radioactive decay - it was observed that the mass of an unstable element decreases slightly as it emits energy. If Conservation of Mass and Conservation of Energy are both true then the evidence suggests Mass and Energy must be equivalent, perhaps forms of something else. (My brain is starting to overheat!) I made a promising start on the explanation here. It notes that Energy is measured in Joules, ie kg m² s⁻², which was a step forward for me, but I came unstuck where it says the equation applies only to Invariant Mass, not Relativistic Mass. Now I'm baffled. Help! Dave |
michael potts | 19/07/2018 10:42:58 |
50 forum posts 2 photos | The equation E = mc^2 is the first term in an infinite series giving the energy of an object. The second term is 1/2 mv^2 which is the kinetic energy of the object. The other terms are miniscule as all are divided by c^2 and higher powers of c^2. The series derives from the calculation of the kinetic energy of an object. The mass of the object changes as it moves and is calculated by the equation M = M0 / ( 1 - v^2/c^2 )^0.5. M0 is the rest mass of the object, M is the mass of the object moving at a velocity of v, so if the object is moving, its' mass is M0 divided by something that is less than 1 making it more massive, and the moving mass gets larger as the velocity increases. If the velocity of the object reaches the speed of light then the mass is then infinite. In practice if the velocity of the object is less than 10% of the speed of light then normal Newtonian mechanics can be applied with little error. The mathematics of relativity become very complex very quickly, making an already difficult subject even more impenetrable. Infinite series of terms do not help either. Radioactive fusion or fission is another issue. Both processes work because the mass of the resultant particle is less than the mass of the starting particle (s). This loss of mass appears as energy, heat,light or kinetic energy of the particles. The amount of energy can be calculated knowing the loss of mass. All the work of measuring the mass of atomic nuclei was carried out after work began to develop atomic weapons during WW 2. Mike Potts. |
Martin King 2 | 19/07/2018 11:51:46 |
![]() 1129 forum posts 1 photos | Blimey, talk about 'thread drift'! Martin |
SillyOldDuffer | 19/07/2018 12:12:03 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by michael potts on 19/07/2018 10:42:58:
The equation E = mc^2 is the first term in an infinite series giving the energy of an object. The second term is 1/2 mv^2 which is the kinetic energy of the object. The other terms are miniscule as all are divided by c^2 and higher powers of c^2. The series derives from the calculation of the kinetic energy of an object. The mass of the object changes as it moves and is calculated by the equation M = M0 / ( 1 - v^2/c^2 )^0.5. M0 is the rest mass of the object, M is the mass of the object moving at a velocity of v, so if the object is moving, its' mass is M0 divided by something that is less than 1 making it more massive, and the moving mass gets larger as the velocity increases. If the velocity of the object reaches the speed of light then the mass is then infinite. In practice if the velocity of the object is less than 10% of the speed of light then normal Newtonian mechanics can be applied with little error. The mathematics of relativity become very complex very quickly, making an already difficult subject even more impenetrable. Infinite series of terms do not help either. Radioactive fusion or fission is another issue. Both processes work because the mass of the resultant particle is less than the mass of the starting particle (s). This loss of mass appears as energy, heat,light or kinetic energy of the particles. The amount of energy can be calculated knowing the loss of mass. All the work of measuring the mass of atomic nuclei was carried out after work began to develop atomic weapons during WW 2. Mike Potts. Thanks Mike, interesting to find my belief that E=mc² started from radioactivity is wrong - 'All the work of measuring the mass of atomic nuclei was carried out after work began to develop atomic weapons during WW 2.' I'm never quite sure if what I learned in my youth was over-simplified and explained badly, or if I was too dim to take it in. Sadly for me, the evidence suggests the latter... Dave |
Cornish Jack | 19/07/2018 13:39:39 |
1228 forum posts 172 photos | or, ... for Harry Hemsley fans - "What did Horace say, Winnie?" rgds Bill |
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