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John Stevenson18/05/2011 19:22:31
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I never thought of it because I can't spell it
 
John S.
John Coates18/05/2011 21:54:10
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Posted by blowlamp on 18/05/2011 14:04:39:

Frankly, this says more about the mentality of some people rather than the reliability of Windows software. After all, if a stranger took a hammer to your Mac and destroyed it, then you'd surely agree that it wouldn't be fair to blame Apple for that - I think the principle carries through in this context too.
 
Martin.

Martin - my mentality is fine. I blame the openness of Windows for its vulnerability, not the attackers. If your car wasn't easy to steal they would eventually give up and go away. Linux is more secure because it is a full implementation of the basic Unix dispersed model of access rather than the bodged affair that is Windows. Hence the ease with which it can be subverted. I can harden our Linux installations to stop all but a direct attack i.e. gaining control of the PC past the logon password. Linux doesn't fall over after a simple system update which was the reason for my last visit to a friend to spend 2 hours fixing his Windows PC because the update had disabled its DHCP.

I know there are CAD programs for Linux (QCAD) so I'll give them a look
Tony Jeffree18/05/2011 23:03:39
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Posted by John Coates on 18/05/2011 21:54:10:
Linux doesn't fall over after a simple system update
I have had exactly that happen to me after a Linux system update. I had to do a reinstall from the original distro to recover the situation.
 
Regards,
Tony
Lawrie Alush-Jaggs18/05/2011 23:49:33
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Hallo Evrybardy (Hello Dr. Nick)
 
There are enough MAC/Windows/Linux discussions/flameouts/gorilla wars/tactical nuclear strikes on other sites. Can we please not have the same rubbish here?
 
Thanks
blowlamp19/05/2011 00:11:00
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Posted by John Coates on 18/05/2011 21:54:10:
Posted by blowlamp on 18/05/2011 14:04:39:

Frankly, this says more about the mentality of some people rather than the reliability of Windows software. After all, if a stranger took a hammer to your Mac and destroyed it, then you'd surely agree that it wouldn't be fair to blame Apple for that - I think the principle carries through in this context too.
 
Martin.

Martin - my mentality is fine. I blame the openness of Windows for its vulnerability, not the attackers. If your car wasn't easy to steal they would eventually give up and go away. Linux is more secure because it is a full implementation of the basic Unix dispersed model of access rather than the bodged affair that is Windows. Hence the ease with which it can be subverted. I can harden our Linux installations to stop all but a direct attack i.e. gaining control of the PC past the logon password. Linux doesn't fall over after a simple system update which was the reason for my last visit to a friend to spend 2 hours fixing his Windows PC because the update had disabled its DHCP.

I know there are CAD programs for Linux (QCAD) so I'll give them a look
 
John.
 
I was questioning the mentality of the virus writers and those that set out to cause trouble to others - not yours.
 
I can't agree with your angle on which party is to blame in the event of a virus attack though.
 
Because of the huge amount of hardware and massive number of software applications, Windows has to try to be all things to all men. Reducing its openness would reduce choice for us all, as third parties would find it harder to develop applications. Because of this necessay versatility, my view leads me to believe it's going to be more vulnerable to the hackers and virus writers. I can't really see that Microsoft would actually want to keep writing patches and updates, but they have to for the sake of their business.
 
Good luck with the CAD.
 
Martin.
John Stevenson19/05/2011 00:17:43
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Draftsight, the 2D CAD offering from Solid Works which is free with no strings attached has versions for Linux and Mac.
 
Probably a £800 CAD program given away for free as a taster to buy their fully featured 3D program.
 
 
John S.
Tony Jeffree19/05/2011 08:55:15
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Posted by Lawrie Alush-Jaggs on 18/05/2011 23:49:33:
Hallo Evrybardy (Hello Dr. Nick)
 
There are enough MAC/Windows/Linux discussions/flameouts/gorilla wars/tactical nuclear strikes on other sites. Can we please not have the same rubbish here?
 
Thanks
It's official - Apple is a religion:
 
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/apple-evokes-religious-response-from-fans-957163
 
Regards,
Tony
John Stevenson19/05/2011 09:16:03
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Bloody hell, and he's little old me thinking it was a fruit.......................
 
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John Coates19/05/2011 12:05:13
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Posted by John Stevenson on 19/05/2011 00:17:43:
Draftsight, the 2D CAD offering from Solid Works which is free with no strings attached has versions for Linux and Mac.
 

Thanks John. Another one to add to the consideration pile. At some point I will definitely need to turn all my sketches from the whiteboard copied onto odd bits of paper into something more readable and durable !

Brian19/05/2011 18:23:01
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Thought I would add my 10 cents, three CNC articals in one month is OTT.
 
Brian
KWIL22/05/2011 11:32:59
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With all the slagging off on CNC articles in this Topic I thought I would read the latest "offending" article. There are a number of unexplained different values used from the target values as set out, however the worst aspect by far is the illegibility of the screen shots of MACH3 which, if clearer and larger, would have greatly helped comprehension. In addition comment is not made about the bigend split and how it was held during arc milling of the lower surface where it crosses the counterbored clamp bolt holes.


Edited By KWIL on 22/05/2011 11:44:26

Steve Talbot 130/05/2011 15:00:59
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I have been a subscriber to MEW since issue 1, but did not renew my subscription earlier this year because of the number of CNC article.
 
After a discussion with the editor I did renew my subscription on the understanding that there were to be very few CNC articles in future and a separate CNC mag. was under consideration
 
I was NOT pleased therefore to see 3 CNC articles in the June edition issue 177
David Clark 130/05/2011 16:01:39
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Hi Steve
All I have done is concluded the CNC articles started.
regards David
Brian30/05/2011 16:46:58
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Thank You David, can we all asume that CNC is now excluded from MEW in the future?
 
regards
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John Stevenson30/05/2011 16:54:51
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Posted by Steve Talbot 1 on 30/05/2011 15:00:59:NC articles in future and a separate CNC mag. was under consideration
 
I was NOT pleased therefore to see 3 CNC articles in the June edition issue 177
 
 
Perhaps I should be displeased that there were more than that number of articles on lathes and milling operations in the last one ?
 
Look lets get this into perspective, you, me, as in every single reader is not unique. If you feel you are then write your own magazine.
 
The mag has to cater for all disciplines and skill levels and sometime there will be one issue that doesn't have the exact content you are looking for but you have to take it over a period of time.
 
Just done a quick check issues 164 to 170 have no CNC related articles in them at all but I didn't see these followers getting upset.
 
Why is it only the armchair flat earth society that get wound up ?
 
John S.
Tomfilery30/05/2011 17:30:24
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What an eye opener this thread had been!
 
Having now pored over the offending issue, it is hard to see what the fuss is about. I don't have a cnc machine, but wouldn't hesitate to make use of technology to make production of muliple items simpler and less time consuming.
 
I thought one article in particular, lost the plot completely, as it was neither aimed at the newby, nor had much to offer the exerienced, nor really sold us on the benefits of cnc (and actually, unintentionally made it all seem gobbledygook!).
 
Perhaps many readers just can't see the link between starting something as a CAD drawing and having a finished product delivered to your door (or machined on your bench if you have the kit). A friend of mine makes G scale railway items from his own design of brass etchings using Corel Draw to produce the artwork, at lower cost and with less effort than it would take to fold up his own brass from scratch.
 
I find the current trend in some articles to avoid spending money at all costs, frankly disturbing. OK, we all like to save a few bob, not to mention take pleasure from producing something from scratch, but haven't we now had enough articles on making collets for less than 10p? Some of it is downright bodging (e.g. the epoxy repaired drive wheel in one of the cnc atricles). And my workshop doesn't have 4.5 inch dia steel stock sat in the stock box - I wonder how many do? Perhaps the reader survey ought to have tried to capture the size of machines we all use, so that articles might be better aimed at the bulk of the readership.
 
For the moment it looks as if the luddites have won the day (judging by the demand for the Ed to say there will be no further cnc articles), but I would like articles on current and new technology to continue to be featured in MEW - if only to shake up the old farts (though at 55, I guess I count as one of them already).
Mark Dickinson30/05/2011 17:35:57
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I'm actually shocked that no one has bitched and twined about the picture of the car on the front cover and the article on page 34, I mean what ever next? Tractors on the cover of Model Engineer?
 
Note to the Ed, please don't stop the CNC articles. I don't have a CNC machine, and I may never have one but I find it interesting to read different methods to skin a cat. 

Edited By Mark Dickinson on 30/05/2011 17:38:34

IanH30/05/2011 17:58:44
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Can I add my support to the comment about bodging - I have been astonished in recent months at the quality of some of work publicised by the magazine both in terms of technical content and execution.
 
As well as encouraging new starts, I think the magazine should be publicising outstanding achievements and inspiring us to constantly push the boudaries of what is possible in the "Model Engineers Workshop".
 
 
Fowlers Fury30/05/2011 18:20:34
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I took the trouble to write twice to the editor about too much CNC and to support another complainant about too many CNC and Dave Fenner articles, but received no reply. The final straw was the July 2010 'Scribe a line' where 8 letters were shown "Reasons to subscribe" and this was followed by "Reasons not to subscribe 1". David Clark wrote under this heading ". . . . . but as the gentleman concerned was not renewing his subscription I see no reason to publish it here as he won't be able to read it".
OK, that's his opinion of open discussion but it's not mine.
I didn't renew my subscription and I know of others who took the same action.
I'm expecting neither support nor sympathy, but just offering a personal reflection.
If the circulation figures for MEW are going up then the content must appeal to new readers.
 
Tony Jeffree30/05/2011 18:37:32
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Posted by Brian on 30/05/2011 16:46:58:
Thank You David, can we all asume that CNC is now excluded from MEW in the future?
 
No.
 
Regards,
Tony

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