Message from ARC to our customers in the E.U.

May be, but wise.

JA

Breakups are interesting. The instigators (or, hopefully, unsuccessful instigators) always expect things to go their own way.

Over here in Canada, we have Quebec popping up the idea of separation, and Alberta and the west.

I read this recently, in an obituary of one of our indigenous leaders:

"Although he was friendly with the Quebec separatist leader René Lévesque, Mr. Gros-Louis remained a federalist. During a 1992 appearance at a Quebec National Assembly committee studying Quebec sovereignty, Mr. Gros-Louis was asked by a Parti Québécois legislator whether First Nations in a separate Quebec would insist on forming their own mini-states, turning Quebec into a “Swiss cheese full of holes.” To which Mr. Gros-Louis responded. “We’ll leave you the holes and we’ll keep the cheese.”"

Things like, taking the James Bay hydroelectric dam, cities like (I assume) Montreal and Quebec, etc. leaving the Quebecois with the dregs.

You open Pandoras' box, and you never know what you'll let out.

Sigh.

(ref: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-huron-wendat-grand-chief-was-a-strong-and-charismatic-advocate-for-his/)

We were never going to get a deal, Dyson predicted that 3 years ago

Leave the EU.... and then get a good deal?? Only in your dreams

There are other EU members who want out and a decent deal would only encourage their Leavers

Lol... Yes there will be effects, but they are likely to be limited, as far as ARC is concerned, positive and negative. I wish negotiators on both sides well. My concern are only the couriers. I will be trying out different ones over the coming months.. DPD (French Post owned - crap at dealing with problems when parcels go walkabout in Europe), DHL (German Post owned, but more expensive - and pro-active on service when things go wrong), Parcelforce (maybe - but what service? when things go wrong).

I see that certain changes are necessary. I for one am FOR the changes to the VAT regulations, be they for import into the UK from 1st January, or for the EU from *1st July. They are long overdue.

If UK and EU traders are expected to obey the law, so should Amazon, eBay, Banggood, and all the Chinese traders who trade through them. Regardless of the outcome of Brexit talks, the next challenge will be how HMRC or their European counterparts are likely to enforce the changes... if they are able to. I know that such traders outside the UK and EU will already be looking at loopholes to beat the system. With an increasing number of such Chinese traders setting up shop in Hamburg port, I feel sad for the traditional German businesses similar to us, who already are suffering.

Ketan at ARC

* If ARC manages to still have customers left in EU after the first six months of next year, hopefully there will be an easy way for ARC to VAT register for the EU collective states by 1st July, rather than register in each state of the EU. Lets wait and see.

Edited By Ketan Swali on 11/12/2020 15:54:47

Can anyone explain why Amazon doesn't;t get it's a**e kicked by all governments? Why don't they set up laws to make it pay a decent rate of tax???

Tony

Edited By Frances IoM on 11/12/2020 17:36:49

It would be interesting to know what % of the goods that ARC sell into the EU is actually made in the Uk. Very little one might wonder But then I may be very wrong. If i am then that is bad for the UK because it is lost manufacturing.

Personally I have little sympathy with goods sourced in India & then sent to the EU, if there is no value added in the Uk. & I say that with the greatest of respect to Ketan. The only benefit being increased turnover for ARC meaning increased buying power of the product & hence reduced cost to us here in the uk perhaps

What I expect to see is an unholy mess for 6-12 months. considerable delays at ports etc, remainers will have a field day,( Laura K at the BBC will be on overtime )Great political arguing. But once industry get to grips & actually KNOW what they need to know then things will start to run more smoothly. Couriers will reduce costs. Currently their charges are reflecting uncertainty & we cannot blame them for that. Without turning the debate into a political one it is clear that we would have been better off walking away ages ago. But that is for another debate.

Probably none, but then how many products are actually manufactured in the UK, built with UK tools and machines and by British people? I really doubt there's any piece of electronics, tooling or clothing in the planet which is not made entirely or partly in China.

Spot on, but that's the way we want it .The underpaid east will continue to supply the affluent west.

Tony

What a load of dross this thread is, I'm bailing out of it !

My perusal and use of JB CuttingTools website shows many ( I haven't checked every one )   cutting tools as being made in Sheffield and displaying the Union flag.
DaveD

Edited By Meunier on 11/12/2020 20:01:17

Edited By Meunier on 11/12/2020 20:01:57

It depends what stats you are considering, Frances.

GDP per capita is the usual measure of material standard of living.

The World Bank's 2019 figures for GDP per capita of the UK and the PRC are $42,000 and $10,262 respectively.

Is it really the way we want it? Judging by the desirability of European, American and Japanese machine tools and engineering equipment, I'd say that's anything but true, however, this forum would be deprived of a good amount of content asking how to make their cheap Chinese tat usable, problem is, it's not that cheap anymore.

There's also the environmental aspect, we should be looking at reducing the amount of things being needlessly moved around the world, and also goods manufactured here can be properly monitored to make sure environmental safeguards are met, the news over the past few days about possible heavy metal poisoning in India shows the attitude to disposal of industrial waste in china/India.

Never mind though, out of sight, out of mind, as long as you recycle your milk carton, all will be well 👍

<<The GDP calculation accounts for spending on both exports and imports. Thus, a country's GDP is the total of consumer spending (C) plus business investment (I) and government spending (G), plus net exports, which is total exports minus total imports >>

I believe GDP isn't a realistic indicator of national worth. It's merely an indicator of economic activity which includes monies borrowed. Any measure that includes consumer spending isn't a measure of wealth if you can manipulate it by buying and selling cups of coffee to each other and by owing money.

Depending on what chart you use the UK is no longer the fifth greatest economy - we're now 6th behind India...

Per Capita GDP is also relatively meaningless if you go spend £127Billion on a railway line and £22Billion on track and trace - pusges those numbers up per head nicely...

pgk

We're going to make our own decisions from now on

Within the EU Westminster was more like a local council, taking orders and following rules

SIGNIFICANTLY

We never joined the Euro, didn't even get that close either

so our political elite were never truly serious about Europe, they always hung on to their get out of jail card

If you want in, you REALLY want in, you join the Euro

They wanted EU trade, and put up with EU-doo-doo and EU-daa-daa, but they hung on to the pound and never ever really came close to giving sterling up and truly joining the EU

Edited By Ady1 on 11/12/2020 23:43:25

**SHIPPING UPDATE** 21 December 2020

As DPD and DHL road courier service into Europe has been suspended, we are temporarily shipping all EU orders by the air courier services offered by DHL and Fedex, for non-machine orders received by close of business on 23rd December 2020 (Please see opening post).

Ketan at ARC.

Edited By Ketan Swali on 21/12/2020 12:04:15

Edited By Ketan Swali on 21/12/2020 12:04:48

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This may be irrelevant [and if it is, then I apologise], but : In the local Post Office, this morning, I was interested to see a lady trying to send a small parcel by Air Mail to Germany ... The Post Master declined, on the basis that the service is not currently available.

MichaelG.