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Nicholas Farr02/07/2011 12:40:34
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Hi Kwil, touché. I think one needs to read the text as well as look at the drawings, eg. with the items that are silver soldered on to the water jacket in the Rider Ericsson article, the author states that the really critical item to be positioned is the bearing mounting bracket, the two slightly different dimensions given for the crank bracket pad being insignificant to my mind.
 
Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 02/07/2011 13:03:21

Ian S C02/07/2011 12:48:10
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I might have a go at the Rider Ericsson, But the dimentions will be no trouble, I'll use my usual method, the drawing gives the general outline, and away I go. If I do build, I will change the cylinder from brass to steel, or cast iron to reduce friction. It looks a nice simple build. Ian S C
JasonB02/07/2011 13:40:07
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I too doubt that I will make one, if I did then the pivot for the flywheel would be moved as it hangs out beyond the upright on the full size, having it directly over the upright makes the who engine too long. I would also make all the bits that solder onto the jacket oversize and once soldered machine the faces & tap the holes, far more likely to get it all lined up with the bore that way, in effect treating it as a casting.
 
As I said earlier the more experianced of us can likely work out what is supposed to be there but I get quite a few PMs from the those that are new to the hobby asking about things like this as they don't want to look silly asking something that may be obvious to us. So rather than be selfish and "going to make some swarf" I point these things out in the hope it will help others.
 
Now we just need answers for the Great Western
 
J
Bill Pudney03/07/2011 03:55:15
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My better half told me that pedantry is dead.
This thread proves her wrong.
 
cheers
Bill Pudney
KWIL03/07/2011 09:54:19
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Long may it live!!
Doubletop03/07/2011 10:43:03
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When I saw "... he lives in Greece" I cracked up, but at least it was a new one that wasn’t in Jeff Daymans list. “Greek tragedy” and “its all Greek to me” also came to mind.

Seriously; having recently been a victim of this drawing errors problem I was coming to the conclusion that there was an issue in the illustration area, now I believe it to be deeper than that and more of a systemic problem in the way ME is produced. I’m new to this area of engineering but I’d have expected the discipline of getting drawings right would have been second nature to people who’d been in the industry for years. I’d also have thought that these days this sort of problem would be reduced by the use of computers.

So rather than vilifying David and the crew is there anything that can be suggested that would be useful to them to improve the magazine quality? A review of the process? Or even a group that could assist David with proofing the articles before they are printed. They pay the original author, so of course for a fee.

Pete

PS: publishing the corrections here isn’t that helpful either as I doubt every ME reader trolls through this site just in case they find a correction. All of the above needs to be consolidated into a “Corrections” item in the magazine. Give the regularity of these issues maybe it should be a regular feature.

Versaboss03/07/2011 14:33:15
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I cannot help but draw your attention to 'another one' which escaped the critical eyes up to now.

On page 39 there is an article about making a chuck adaptor plate for the Hobbymat lathe.

The text in the article gives the following data:

Hobbymat spindle flange diameter: 55 mm

Chuck internal register diameter: 56 mm

The drawing clearly shows a boss (for the chuck) of 55 mm diameter, and on the other side a recess (for the spindle flange) of 56 mm diameter.


If someone would produce such an adaptor, trusting and relying upon the drawing only,

he would be up for a nice surprise...

Not the end of the world I admit, but a sign of the quality checks done (or not).

Greetings, Hansrudolf

JasonB03/07/2011 15:30:32
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Well I had to leave one for somebody else to find
 
And lets face it if you are not too pedantic about the concentricity of the chuck it will all fit  (loosly) together that way
 
J

Edited By JasonB on 03/07/2011 15:32:08

Nicholas Farr03/07/2011 15:48:48
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Hi, well I have just checked my Hobbymat, and the register on the lathe comes out at 55.9mm, so it is possible that the drawing is correct and the text is wrong. It would pay anyone who will be making such an adapter to measure their own registers on the lathe and any new chuck they use anyway. Then follow the procedure given in the article.
 
Regards Nick.
JasonB03/07/2011 15:57:52
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Hobbymat was made with 3 different spindle sizes - 55, 56 and 63mm Text and drawing would seem to be based on a 55mm machine
 
Anyway the drawing would still be wrong as it shows 55mm into the 56mm chuck.
 
J

Edited By JasonB on 03/07/2011 15:59:02

JasonB03/07/2011 16:17:27
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Is it a clock making thing or is there another reason that the OD of all the gearwheels in the clock article seem to be 10-20 thou over size using (teeth +2) *MOD?
 
Or is that why clock makers use a depthing tool rather than measure out the gear centres
 
J

Edited By JasonB on 03/07/2011 16:19:36

JasonB03/07/2011 17:00:55
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On no I should have kept quiet about the clock. Thought I better read the text from the previous installment incase something was hidden in the text. We have , a 36tooth gear 3 times the dia of a 39T gear and again OD that are plus or minus 20thou.
 
Seems complacancy is more predominant than pedancy
 
J

Edited By JasonB on 03/07/2011 17:07:08

ady04/07/2011 04:10:45
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I don't see what the problem is.
Everything fits together perfectly if you adapt the build as it progresses
 

Edited By ady on 04/07/2011 04:11:39

Phil P04/07/2011 08:16:20
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Posted by JasonB on 03/07/2011 16:17:27:
Is it a clock making thing or is there another reason that the OD of all the gearwheels in the clock article seem to be 10-20 thou over size using (teeth +2) *MOD?
 
Or is that why clock makers use a depthing tool rather than measure out the gear centres
 
J

Edited By JasonB on 03/07/2011 16:19:36

Jason

According to the clock wheel and pinion cutting book by J.M. Wild :-
 
For wheels the OD is (N + 2.76) x Module
 
For pinions of 6,7 & 8 teeth the OD is (N + 1.71) x Module
 
For pinions of 10,12 & 16 teeth the OD is (N + 1.61) x Module
 
That is assuming the tooth form to be cycloidal as opposed to involute.
 
Phil
 
JasonB04/07/2011 17:00:01
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Thanks for that Phil, comes out OK using that formula, learn something new every day.
 
Jason
JasonB09/07/2011 14:03:29
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Posted by David Clark 1 on 01/07/2011 08:52:16:
 
Fig 10
The 2.85mm hole centerline is not shown in line with the 1.75mm recess, it is clearly shown above it. Therefore we either need a height for the hole (PROBABLY 2MM) or the 1.75mm is not the size of the notches on the bearing blocks.
On the original it is clearly shown in line with the 1.75 steps.
 
Having just seen this engine in the flesh today at Guildford I can confirm thet the holes are above the 1.75mm step.
 
The engine was running very sweetly so I would suggest to anyone thinking of making this not to be put off by these drawing issues if they can all be resolved it will build into a nice piece to add to your collection
 
Jason
 
PS Drawings in 4408 look beter just need the angle for teh displacer crank in Fig 23 its shown as a strange 34+
David Clark 109/07/2011 14:44:16
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Hi There
This is the drawing I aproved for press.
As you can see it clearly says 34 degrees.
It has obviously been changed by the page design software.
I will get this checked on Monday.
Probably to do with the fonts used.
regards David
 

 

Edited By David Clark 1 on 09/07/2011 14:44:55

JasonB09/07/2011 15:29:37
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Yes could well have scanned in 84 and got 34 out.
 
Thanks, J
blowlamp09/07/2011 15:39:28
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I get that angle at 77 degrees by tracing over it.
 
Martin.
JasonB09/07/2011 16:16:40
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Looks like it could also do with a dimension between the fork holes and the 4mm hole while you are at it David, as yw long teh lower arm should be without a lot of calculation

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