Mark Zuckerberg, on Privacy ...
Oldiron | 17/12/2020 10:17:07 |
1193 forum posts 59 photos | Posted by Steviegtr on 30/10/2020 17:22:40:
I too watch a lot of youtube stuff. I like watching Ades workshop, just because he is a likeable guy. So last night i watch a video of his. No less than 6 adverts & some you could not skip. Gave up & watched something else. It is getting stupid now. Steve. I believe that these creators can opt out of midstream ads but choose to leave them in to make more money. Some like mrpete have skipped them so fans do not have to endure them. I donate to several channels that I like. My support then goes to where I want it to. regards |
Rockingdodge | 17/12/2020 10:42:24 |
![]() 396 forum posts 111 photos | I use Adblock plus and it works well with youtube, some sites can detect it but you can switch adblock off for that page/site if required (needs to be switched off for this forum) Don't forget there are a large number of information sites that rely on income from adverts to maintain there presence on the interweb! Edited By Rockingdodge on 17/12/2020 10:43:51 |
Farmboy | 17/12/2020 11:32:58 |
171 forum posts 2 photos | I don't object to advertising, I just choose to avoid it wherever I can, but I do object to people covertly harvesting information about my browsing and shopping habits, and even more strongly object to people harvesting information from my contact list, etc. I try to keep things as secure as possible but privacy doesn't really exist any more in the 'digital age'. |
peak4 | 17/12/2020 15:02:36 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | It goes well beyond just advertising though; Bill |
duncan webster | 17/12/2020 17:38:30 |
5307 forum posts 83 photos | Pages 2&3 of my daily newspaper are always full page ads, but I know they are there, so I just turn straight to page 4. No idea who is advertising what. Complete waste of paper and the advertiser's money |
Peter Greene | 17/12/2020 18:37:17 |
865 forum posts 12 photos | Thanks for the censorship .... whomever. My (very) terse comment might have been judged political (and against the rules) by a very strong imagination, but certainly no more so than this thread in general and most of its comments. Not to mention other threads in these forums. And certainly (and obviously) there was nothing personal aimed at anyone here. I remain at a loss ... |
Ian B. | 18/12/2020 07:52:32 |
171 forum posts 5 photos | +1 For that as well on Firefox. Desktops Forever! However please note that those who use BT TV they are reducing the number of stations you can receive or you can cancel contracts without penalty in the next 30days unless you pay a load more for the VIP pack. BUT we have become aware that every time we change a channel there is never direct access to the programme there is always a package of a number of adverts regardless of random timings. Edited By Ian B. on 18/12/2020 07:53:10 |
Michael Gilligan | 18/12/2020 08:43:30 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | It’s interesting to see how this discussion has developed ... but I am surprised to see mention of Newspaper and TV advertisements [which, currently, are not personalised] Mark Zuckerberg‘s objection is to Apple offering its users the ability to opt-out of tracking, if they so desire ! MichaelG. . . As examples of tracking, Apple gives: 1. Displaying targeted advertisements in your app based on user data collected from apps and websites owned by other companies. |
Ian B. | 18/12/2020 09:10:37 |
171 forum posts 5 photos | Quite simply, dont use it. After a bad experience on Farcebook I have never used it since nor any other such like soshull meeja. It has no impact on honest decent human life to shun such places. But of course honest decent standards of human behaviour are on the decline. Much due to these abuses of technology. |
Nigel Graham 2 | 18/12/2020 09:40:48 |
3293 forum posts 112 photos | I do my best to limit what these few huge American companies gain from me. My portable 'phone is basic, called "3G" but I don't know what difference that makes. More to the point it is normally turned off most of the time. Any tracker trying to understand my movements might wonder why I am near or at what might be home frequently but randomly for most of the year (normally!), then occasionally somewhere obscure 300 miles away for just 5 minutes at an obscure time and date. I turn off the assorted non-functional cookies as far as possible. 'Outlook' shows a list of its clients, all with meaningless names giving no hint of trade, but some are IT consultancies. This is on a secondary account I rarely use now anyway, but I always turn the lot off. I have given up on Google and YouTube, thanks to their new, complicated barriers; and have refused to use Facebook and its ilk completely from their start. As for " smart 'speakers " with silly names (two-way radio Internet links): not ruddy likely. Also, limit on-line buying in frequency, variety and type, and no on-line banking. So with little or no useful location-tracking either, the Internet profile I must present should be worthless to the big advertising-agencies and IT companies. ' Advertisements per se are not the problem. Those who criticise their publication merely for being not personally interesting, forget two things. Firstly that without advertising the magazines and newspapers would cost far more; and fora like this would have to charge us. Secondly, that despite their protests they do follow advertising in one way or another, even if voluntarily when searching for a wanted product or service. The main problems now are the ruthless pressure to read advertisements; and the so-called "personalised" ad - a concept as ugly as the Americanism itself - and its implications and modus operandi. |
Michael Gilligan | 18/12/2020 10:02:01 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Ian B. on 18/12/2020 09:10:37:
Quite simply, dont use it. After a bad experience on Farcebook I have never used it since nor any other such like soshull meeja. It has no impact on honest decent human life to shun such places. But of course honest decent standards of human behaviour are on the decline. Much due to these abuses of technology. . I’m not sure if that was intended as a response to my post, Ian ... perhaps it just happened to immediately follow it The point is that MZ claims to be standing-up in support of the little guys ... whose attempts to earn a living by collecting personal data instead of charging for their Apps, are portrayed by him as ‘a good thing’ The hypocrisy of that self-serving claim is what upsets me. I have no desire to use, or be used by, Facebook. MichaelG.
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Peter G. Shaw | 18/12/2020 11:32:47 |
![]() 1531 forum posts 44 photos | I've never had an "experience" with Facebook, bad or otherwise. I simply cannot see the purpose of it. Same with all these other "must have" sites. Like Nigel, my phone is a basic Nokia 2 something or other. It spends 95% of it's life switched off. After all, how did we manage only 30 years ago without being in permanent contact all the time! And certainly I absolutely do not want contacting when I'm out. Indeed, the only reason I take it with me now is in case I have some sort of problem which necessitates calling for help. It also contains numbers of people to contact in case of emergency, but that's about it. This is why now I refuse to give out my mobile number. The problem with adverts, is that when they are sent electronically, I find them difficult to ignore in that I usually have to do something to get round them, whereas static ads, eg shop windows, hoardings etc, are just part of the passing scenary and thus can easily be ignored. This is why I don't want them shoved at me through the tv or via internet. As far as tracking is concerned, whether by government, or Google etc, I do have grave concerns. When a country such as Singapore, I think it was, makes it illegal to not download the Covid-19 tracking app, I really do start to get worried. I can see the point of downloading the tracking app, but what about those people who do not have, and have no wish to have, a smart phone? Are we to be required to have one? If so, who will pay for it? And if we do have one, are we then required to have it with us permanently? And to keep it switched on? If so, then we are entering a very dangerous world where people, and not necessarily the law authorities, will be able to determine just what you may be doing at any one time? Expect to see a rise in divorce etc. I must admit that I don't know what the answer is. In years gone by, ads were generally static and therefore easy to ignore - unless you happened to be in the market for whatever it was. But we managed, and I might suggest that we managed quite well without having them thrust down our ears and into our eyeballs. Just think back to the early days of TV - one channel each of BBC & ITV - and the simplicity of life as it was then when TV ads were a novelty and nobody had internet. And as has been said, newspapers and magazines had ads, but they were easily ignored. Peter G. Shaw |
Ian B. | 19/12/2020 08:21:42 |
171 forum posts 5 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/12/2020 10:02:01:
Posted by Ian B. on 18/12/2020 09:10:37:
Quite simply, dont use it. After a bad experience on Farcebook I have never used it since nor any other such like soshull meeja. It has no impact on honest decent human life to shun such places. But of course honest decent standards of human behaviour are on the decline. Much due to these abuses of technology. . I’m not sure if that was intended as a response to my post, Ian ... perhaps it just happened to immediately follow it The point is that MZ claims to be standing-up in support of the little guys ... whose attempts to earn a living by collecting personal data instead of charging for their Apps, are portrayed by him as ‘a good thing’ The hypocrisy of that self-serving claim is what upsets me. I have no desire to use, or be used by, Facebook. MichaelG. No Michael. No offence intended. It was a general comment. This forum is about as far as soshull meeja goes for me. I just find it a little sad that allegedly intelligent human beings have their lives on a bit of black plastic that also controls everything they do. I have this horrible smart phone now simply because we were advised on our visit to Oz last Christmas we HAD to have 4G or no phone. Not true as it turned out. I much preferred my old Doro phone with buttons for my arthritic podgy paws. However I dont use Farcebook, Twitter Instagram or any of the others. I found to my cost that the Farcebook garden railway people and model engineering were the most nauseous obnoxious crowd I had ever come across in my long life. Wiped it out never to go back. Likw every other SELF RESPECTING model engineer I can manage all too well without them. Regards Ian.
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Michael Gilligan | 19/12/2020 08:30:06 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Thanks for the clarification, Ian MichaelG. |
Michael Gilligan | 21/05/2021 05:31:51 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | UPDATE With some satisfaction ... I read this today: **LINK** https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-ios14-facebook MichaelG. |
Hopper | 21/05/2021 06:08:29 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 18/12/2020 09:40:48:...
... Those who criticise their publication merely for being not personally interesting, forget two things. Firstly that without advertising the magazines and newspapers would cost far more;
No. Without advertising, newspapers and magazines would not exist. Traditionally 85 per cent of their revenue came from advertising. The cover price makes up the other 15 per cent of revenue, not even enough to pay for the cost of production, printing and distribution. The reason countless thousands of newspapers and magazines have closed down worldwide in the past 10 years has been the relentless migration of advertising out of newspapers and magazines to the internet. And forums like this would likewise shut down if there were no advertising on them. Ditto YouTube channels being run as a business or as a small earner on the side to fund the poster's workshop habit. |
Meunier | 21/05/2021 17:09:33 |
448 forum posts 8 photos | Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/05/2021 05:31:51:
UPDATE With some satisfaction ... I read this today: **LINK** https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-ios14-facebook MichaelG. Thank you for that link MichaelG, I share your satisfaction. |
Nigel Graham 2 | 21/05/2021 20:04:57 |
3293 forum posts 112 photos | I wonder how that gets round the BBC's commitment not to advertise - or if this is the organisation having no choice if it wants to run a service on an Internet basically taken over and run by a handful of American corporations. What is particularly sneaky about most of these filters is that the On/Off virtual switches are so ambiguous, in two ways. - 1) Does the highlighting mean "ON" or "OFF" ? - 2) Does "OFF" or "DISABLE" turn off the commercial client's link, or the filter that allegedly bars the link (the opposite effect)? ' I tried using B&Q's web-site yesterday and today. It has changed since I last used it, and for the worse. It used to be fairly straightforward and convenient, but it is now extraordinarily clumsy and awkward. Worse, its "cookie" filters are basically non-existent and the page refers you to your browser, thereby making switching off the tracking as hard and awkward as possible. The company is NOT my first choice for tools and materials, but I have my reply ready if in my next visit some Bright Young Thing suggests I use its on-line services: "You have obviously not tried using it , and anyway, why do you want to put yourself out of work?" |
Frances IoM | 21/05/2021 20:19:13 |
1395 forum posts 30 photos | The Beeb gets around it by claiming its mandate is to broadcast to the UK (ie the licence payers) outside of the UK it can offer programs & services paid for by adverts (this has been true for several years with its Internet offerings aimed at the USA). Many years ago when I wrote software for pay I often asked developers of tools I needed to use if they had tried eating their own dog food (not always as polite as this tho) |
Michael Gilligan | 27/05/2021 07:21:17 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Here’s an interesting item that I had missed: **LINK** https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/03/20/stop-using-google-chrome-on-apple-iphone-12-pro-max-ipad-and-macbook-pro/ Why You Shouldn’t Use Google Chrome After New Privacy Disclosure MichaelG. . P.S. __ if the very long list of Cookies on Forbes’ page scares you ... scroll down to the bottom, where you will find a comforting ‘Reject All’ button. Edited By Michael Gilligan on 27/05/2021 07:24:45 |
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