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John Shepherd04/08/2010 20:34:20
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I read with interest Harold Hall's article about RCDs in the latest MEW.
 
Unfortunately he missed out  mention of the dreaded Part P of the Building Regulations. The fitting of new consumer units alluded to and new wiring  need prior notification  to the local Building Authority or require the work to be done by an electrician or company registered to carry out the work.
 
In fairness I notice Harold did not suggest that any one should do the work themselves but I would urge anyone inspired to carry out any rewiring to check what Part P allows.
 
I hope this does not deter anyone from fitting RCDs they really are worth having, particularly in the workshop.
 
B.T.W. If RCD is the prefered name  why does the front cover refer to RCB?
 
 
chris stephens05/08/2010 01:27:21
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I seem to recall hearing that the Regs say you can still do your own wiring with the new colours, but have to get it signed off, when finished, for a fee of course.
Could someone clarify?
chriStephens 
Gray6205/08/2010 09:50:16
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Part P can be read here
 
http://www.theiet.org/publishing/wiring-regulations/part-p/

KWIL06/08/2010 08:51:05
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Looking at Part P notes (above) seems it fits with Q5, not being in a kitchen or special area, installation of sockets etc.
Paul Boscott06/08/2010 14:56:35
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Chris is correct that you can do the actual work yourself BUT you MUST have it signed off by a qualified person. The catch is if it is not inspected, tested and singed off and there was a problem with it the house insurance would be void.>>

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Paul
John Shepherd06/08/2010 17:14:45
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I do not wish to enter into protracted discussions about Part P as there is a lot of miss information out there not least from some of the local councils.Hopefully the following will suffice to clafify the main points of Part P and DIY.
If it is not notifiable then you can do it if you think you are competent and remember all alterations should be subject to testing in accordance with the wiring regulations.


DIY electrical work has not been outlawed but it has been brought into the  Building Regulations and cannot done freely as it was before, and in many cases cannot be carried out without involving your local council.
 

Note  that apart from a  Building Inspector (or someone specifically appointed by them), nobody can certify someone else's work as being compliant with the Building Regulations. Unless it is arranged by or in cooperation with the Local Authority Building Control (LABC), a 3rd party electrical inspection is of no value in terms of complying with Part P.


If you are carrying out notifiable work yourself you must submit a building notice to LABC. The work will then be inspected at first fix stage and then on completion by the LABC or a competent person appointed . They will also carry out testing to BS7671


All for a fee of course so in some cases it will be cheaper to have the work done by a person who is a member of a ‘Competent Person’ scheme who can then self certify.


 

Edited By John Shepherd 1 on 06/08/2010 17:27:35

 

Edited By Diane Carney on 06/12/2010 11:20:20

Edited By Diane Carney on 06/12/2010 23:30:56

KWIL07/08/2010 10:53:22
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Another interesting result of all of this, a Design Engineer may be fully qualified and experienced in designing electrical apparatus but cannot install it because he is not qualified, what rubbish is this??
Paul Boscott07/08/2010 11:31:03
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Kwil
 
Unfortunately those of us that think we can complementally do the work get caught in the cross fire resulting from the necessity of protecting the public at large from cowboys.
 
But even I had to borrow an earth loop tester as that measurement cannot be guessed and with out a low enough earth return path an RCD will not trip at the designed speed so as to afford the specified protection.
 
Paul
 
 
Josef106/12/2010 00:46:57
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I dont think a building inspector can even sign off electrical work as he is not usually qualified,and he will ask for a certificate .A garage/workshop is classed as a special location if it is remote to the main building  any electrical work except replacing like for like due to damage will require a certificate from a goverment registered scheme.You can sign off other peoples work if your registered if they comply with the regulations and they are classed as compident (sic?) person,but in doing so you are putting your name to that job ,so if your not 100%  your not going  to do it ! .I work as a NICEIC electrician and this is just my opinion on this matter. The regs are a minefield and open to interpretation hope this helps.
Terryd06/12/2010 08:00:33
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John,
 
Can you edit your post, it appears to have caused the dreaded table stretch.  If you post from Word or another word processor use the 
'Post from Word' facility at the icon at top of message window when messaging.  I think it will be the picture you inserted, it needs
editing out.  I'm using carriage return to keep my message readable.
 
Terry
MichaelR06/12/2010 08:27:01
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Could a competant person sort out the post that has caused a problem with this page. 
Stick.
Terryd06/12/2010 10:47:06
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Hi Stick,
 
I know what the problem is but the moderators appear to
be involved with the Sandown Exhibition this week. 
John needs to get rid of the graphic he posted from Word
Terry

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Edited By Terryd on 06/12/2010 10:50:08

Terryd06/12/2010 10:49:49
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John,
Sorry To repeat but I have tried to keep my message readable
This time
 
Can you edit your post, it appears to have caused the dreaded
table stretch.  If you post from Word or another word processor
use the 'Post from Word' facility at the icon at top of message
window when messaging. 
I think it will be the graphic from Word you inserted, it needs
editing out.  I'm using carriage return to keep my message
readable.
 
P.S. the 'Home keys and other Nav buttons are at the bottom
of the page
 
Terry

Edited By Terryd on 06/12/2010 10:52:40

Diane Carney06/12/2010 11:25:48
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Hi chaps
I removed the offending table from John Shepherd's post - apologies to him. Perhaps there is another way he could convey the information?
DC

Edited By Diane Carney on 06/12/2010 11:26:36

MichaelR06/12/2010 13:26:17
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Hi Diane.
A job well done, Thanks.

Edited By Stick on 06/12/2010 13:27:11

John Shepherd06/12/2010 17:24:14
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Terry
I assume you were having difficulty with your post but all three reminders for me to remove a table in my post within a short space of time today are perfectly readable to me.
 
When I first submitted the post in August I don't remember it causing a problem then and three was no picture included. (I am aware of the problems of pasting from Word having been a culprit before).
 
Since then  some stupid avatars that I am not responsible for have appeared in my post also.
Terryd06/12/2010 22:57:31
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Hi John,
 
No offence intended, My first post was stretched at the time and I made a Third posting to ensure it was readable.  The second posting was addressed to Stick not your good self.
 
Did you actually type into the posting dialogue box when these latest smilies appeared?  If so we have problems.
 
Terry
Diane Carney06/12/2010 23:33:09
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Supid avatars deleted John. Haven't a clue where they came from. They have now appeared elsewhere! I'll try and get onto the pesky things and chase 'em!
Diane
NJH06/12/2010 23:34:45
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Terry I'm getting a bit worried about you - you seem to be getting younger and younger.
You don't have a picture of yourself in the attic do you?
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Terryd07/12/2010 02:49:18
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Hi NJH,
 
No it's just that I seem to have caught the Benjamin Button (as in 'The Curious Case Of') syndrome.  Dear old Dorian just didn't get older!
 
Last month I had the acne that I never had as a teenager originally. Scary. 
 
Regards
 
Terry

Edited By Terryd on 07/12/2010 02:50:58

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