900 million covid cases

...and their new year about 7 days away...

**LINK**

It's all happening this week, escalation in Ukraine, Covidmageddon in China

Interesting times

Edited By Ady1 on 14/01/2023 17:15:03

Don’t know about interesting, more like scary times.

Just imagine the carnage without the vaccines,

I don’t give Covid a 2nd thought these days. I am 68 and have taken every vaccine offered.

Tony

Have you not seen the carnage because of them?

Nope

Doctors in the video talking about the effects here:

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/news/news-releases/uk-doctors-investigation-c19-vaccines/

Also on the BBC here:

Edited By blowlamp on 14/01/2023 20:41:32

From Wikipedia:

The World Council for Health is a pseudo-medical organisation dedicated to spreading misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and promoting fake COVID-19 treatments.

Say no more...

John

as I said, nope.

No not really, and I'd suggest neither have you.

I don't think I'd trust someone who seems to misrepresent the yellow card scheme either.

How come there is also a rise in heart related deaths in countries such as India, which, as far as I'm aware, has never had much exposure to the effects of mRNA vaccines; could it be because C19 affects the heart in some people?

Back in the real world, and outside that of health conspiracy theorists, there has been some reaction to the good Dr's BBC appearance; I can't imagine what possessed the BBC producer to allow someone onto a broadcast interview about statins, which had so much potential for them to go off piste, without an available expert to counter their gibberish.

The Grauniad's take is reasonable, as it provides a variety of responses;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/13/bbc-cardiologist-aseem-malhotra-links-covid-jabs-to-heart-disease-deaths

See also here from one of the fact checking sites.
https://fullfact.org/health/bbc-malhotra-vaccines-excess-deaths/

And one from The Lancet, regarding an earlier event
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02413-8/fulltext

Perhaps one of the more comprehensive responses I've seen, is this from Health Feedback, and is well worth a read.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/article-by-cardiologist-aseem-malhotra-made-unsupported-claims-about-benefits-risks-covid-19-vaccination/the

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 14/01/2023 21:48:56

But, but, the BBC !

From Wikipedia?...

...Say no more.

Then have a look at Media Bias Factcheck, which tends to give a very good analysis of a wide variety of organisations.
Put in a completely different one, with which you are already familiar, and see how the results present.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-council-for-health-bias/

In this case, almost at the limit towards Tin Foil Hat, and Quackery, with Factual Reporting rated as Very Low.

Bill

You seem to be arguing against the multiple Doctors and Surgeons in the videos.

I'm just following the science.

Some more things for you to deny here:

https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports

There is a Chinese curse which states "May you live in interesting times"

Readers with an open mind, please have a have a look here, again at Media Bias Factcheck
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/

• Overall, we rate the UK Column a strong right-wing biased conspiracy website that frequently promotes false or misleading information.

Detailed Report

Bias Rating: RIGHT CONSPIRACY
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: United Kingdom
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History

The UK Column is an alternative multimedia news website and associated British news pamphlet launched in January 2006. UK Column is headquartered in Plymouth in South West England. Mike Robinson is the editor of the UK Column, and Brian Gerrish is the Author/Editor/Owner of the UK Column Newspaper. Further, Brian Gerrish has appeared on US conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’s show.

Bill

How do you know you can trust mediabiasfactcheck.com - who has checked them out, or are you just assuming they're OK because of their name?

Something mediabiasfactcheck.com probably haven't mentioned about UK Column is that they always use official data or sustantiated data to back up their claims. The Yellow Card info is the official data.

Reuters however
Reports made to Britain’s Yellow Card scheme are not confirmed adverse reactions to coronavirus vaccines
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-yellowcard-scheme-idUSL2N2O41T1

Please stick to engineering, rather than pseudo-science

I'm a bit conflicted here, as responding to this anti-vax stuff just promotes it back to the top of the forum, which is often the intention of those posting it.

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 14/01/2023 22:31:35

Dr John Campbell, talking about excess deaths.

Sorry, this topic is junk. It is unworthy of the "Tea Room" which can have very interesting topics.

JA