Alpine major 1982
Terry olds | 12/03/2022 19:58:15 |
28 forum posts 14 photos | Have an Alpine major 1982, would like to convert it from a forward only to a forward and reverse switch, can this be done |
John Haine | 12/03/2022 20:11:51 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | Mill? Lathe? Drill? Type of motor? Tell us more, post some photos. |
old mart | 12/03/2022 21:38:06 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | Not all single phase electric motors have the wiring compatible with reversal. If its 3 phase, then a VFD would be the simplest solution. |
Paul Lousick | 12/03/2022 21:43:50 |
2276 forum posts 801 photos | Do a search on this site. Lots of previous posts about reversing switches and motors |
Emgee | 12/03/2022 21:47:12 |
2610 forum posts 312 photos | If single phase Check the connection box to check both windings are brought to the terminal connections before buying a suitable switch. If it is 3 phase best to get a FWD/OFF/REV switch suitably rated for the motor current, best to only use the switch with the motor stopped. Emgee |
Robert Atkinson 2 | 12/03/2022 21:57:39 |
![]() 1891 forum posts 37 photos | Posted by old mart on 12/03/2022 21:38:06:
Not all single phase electric motors have the wiring compatible with reversal. If its 3 phase, then a VFD would be the simplest solution. In what world is fitting a VFD simpler than a two pole changeover switch to swap two phases? Robert G8RPI. |
noel shelley | 12/03/2022 21:57:54 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | There are numerous switches that will do this, Dewhurst and santon, Etc Will work on single and 3Ph. If you know HOW to wire it ! Noel |
DiogenesII | 13/03/2022 08:24:25 |
859 forum posts 268 photos | Probably easiest if you can post a picture of the inside of the motor terminal box showing how the 'outside' connections meet the internal ones.. |
not done it yet | 13/03/2022 08:30:56 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 12/03/2022 21:57:39:
Posted by old mart on 12/03/2022 21:38:06:
Not all single phase electric motors have the wiring compatible with reversal. If its 3 phase, then a VFD would be the simplest solution. In what world is fitting a VFD simpler than a two pole changeover switch to swap two phases? Robert G8RPI. Very much in agreement with Robert, here. Old mart’s wording would have been better to say that a VFD, while (perhaps) a little more expensive might be a better solution. A VFD would be my choice, simply for the added programmable features - such as soft start, easy remote operation additions, etc. Until we know the motor type, we are all guessing. |
Terry olds | 13/03/2022 12:04:40 |
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Tim Stevens | 13/03/2022 12:22:20 |
![]() 1779 forum posts 1 photos | Alpine Major, eh? That will be a Sunbeam Alpine with a Fordson Major engine, I guess? Tim |
Terry olds | 13/03/2022 12:24:54 |
28 forum posts 14 photos | That tells our age |
noel shelley | 13/03/2022 12:41:33 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | Single phase ! Could be cap start , cap run. Is there a wiring diagram on the lid of the terminal block ? I can't make much out on the spec plate or from the jumble of wires in the junction box. IF there are 4 wires coming out of the rubber grommet then it should be easy once you identify the start and run windings. Are there any letters or numbers on the grommet beside the wires ? Tim . the major engine will be toooo heavy on the front end, just buy a tiger and be done with it ! Noel. |
Terry olds | 13/03/2022 12:51:00 |
28 forum posts 14 photos | No diagram on the inside of the lid, no letters or numbers on the grommet beside the wires, will be checking the number of wires from the motor to the terminal block |
old mart | 13/03/2022 14:28:26 |
4655 forum posts 304 photos | You would need 2 fuel tanks if the Fordson Major engine was used and be prepared for a reduction in power. |
old mart | 13/03/2022 15:13:34 |
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Terry olds | 13/03/2022 15:31:22 |
28 forum posts 14 photos | Diagrams of the connection box to help. and motor labal info |
John Haine | 13/03/2022 16:44:20 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | Interesting! The circuit diagram seems to show the two "PODs" in parallel. I assume that those are the silver tubular things at top and bottom of the junction box? That would imply that terminals 1 and 2 are the start (/run) winding (since the two caps are in parallel one of them doesn't seem to get switched out of circuit). So to reverse the motor you just swap over the wires to terms 1 and 2 which will reverse its phase relative to the main winding and so reverse the motor. You could do that with a two-pole double throw changeover switch as shown here making sure that you use a switch rated for mains voltage and current. Even better would be a proper motor changeover switch - like the one I flogged in eBay a few weeks ago! |
Ady1 | 13/03/2022 16:58:23 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | open it up try to wire and run it in reverse, use a RCD to do this if it runs happily in reverse then you need a reversing switch, I might be a bit of a bodger boy but I would 100% recommend a proper one which are 20-50 quid |
Ady1 | 13/03/2022 17:06:06 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | edit Do you need a everse function on a mill? Its very useful on a lathe |
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