Ian Parkin | 19/02/2022 11:22:09 |
![]() 1174 forum posts 303 photos | Advise/suggestions please My mum at 86 with advancing dementure has recently has a fob pendant given her that calls for help if she falls or just needs help…the company that installed the system wants a key safe outside so they or the designated responder can get in. she’s also starting soon to have carers coming in and the company also want the keysafe as they have different carers so don’t want to have keys.. To me its like leaving the key under the mat Mum..she generally leaves the key in the lock on the inside so then the key wont work anyway. I want to fit a electronic keypad to open the inner front door with a Yale type lock (rather than the mortice lock presently fitted) and leave the outer porch door unlocked. so the inner door can be shut and always locked …but can be opened with a key always…not too sure mum could cope with a PIN number.
what have others done in this situation? my sister says just have the keysafe.. |
John Haine | 19/02/2022 11:27:40 |
5563 forum posts 322 photos | Lots of National Trust cottages have the keysafe. Probably pretty secure but don't be tempted by an electronic one. |
Ian Parkin | 19/02/2022 11:30:27 |
![]() 1174 forum posts 303 photos | John. National trust cottages don’t have all your possessions inside and an old lady generally.
what’s wrong with the electronic ones? I have had one for 20 years or so? |
Mike Hurley | 19/02/2022 11:33:40 |
530 forum posts 89 photos | Similar situation with my mother-in-law some years back now. The keysafe is perfectly OK (assuming its a good quality one) and to be fair - considering how easy a yale lock (as you are considering fitting from your text) can be defeated in relation to a sturdy mortice job would seem much the better idea IMHO. We never had any issues with the keysafe that was fitted and it certainly made life all-round bags easier for everyone. These situations are never easy to get right as there is no 'fits all' solution for each individual case - yuou just need to make a value judgment on best advice / evidence Hope that helps & things work out OK Mike |
Andrew Tinsley | 19/02/2022 11:46:31 |
1817 forum posts 2 photos | I had a keysafe fitted, never had any problems. Andrew. |
Journeyman | 19/02/2022 11:46:46 |
![]() 1257 forum posts 264 photos | Had a key-safe at Mum's for years with no problems. Good quality safe fitted securely and out of sight if possible. As for Yale type have used these euro locks by ABS a cut above the average Yale for security but assumes a modern door. Used with thumb-turn on the inside (as fire Brigade recommended) avoids key on inside. John |
noel shelley | 19/02/2022 11:54:21 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | Had an almost identical problem with my mum, key safe and mortice lock - never a problem ! How does the electronic set up work if there is no power - topical ! Noel |
Ian Parkin | 19/02/2022 12:03:42 |
![]() 1174 forum posts 303 photos | To me a keysafe can be removed in a second with a crowbar and then opened destructively in private then the villians have your door keys. if carers are using it perhaps 2,3,4 times a day they don’t want to be struggling to access an out of sight keysafe.., do we tell the insurance co that theres keys to the house left outside? In sheffield we haven’t had a power cut in decades keys would still work in the event of no power |
Howard Lewis | 19/02/2022 12:16:59 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | Have had more that one friend or neighbour, with a keysafe. Only you and the carer, or other family members, would know the combination (Which you can set ) so any would be intruder would have to be lucky to find the correct combination, quickly, out of about 10,000, to gain unauthorised entry. Mum can unlock the door from inside if she wishes, although that might be unwise, in case she forgets to relock. At least, unlike a cylinder lock,with a Mortice lock, she can't lock herself outside (A neighbour with dementia, and a cylinder lock, did this regularly. Eventually, we got spare keys cut for us and his family, rather than keep drilling the lock on the garage door and hoping that the door to the house was unlocked ) Like others, have never heard of a keypad being defeated, or causing a problem.. Normal Yale cylinder locks can be defeated fairly easily, so a keysafe containing the key to a 5 lever mortice lock is more secure. . Howard |
mgnbuk | 19/02/2022 12:24:25 |
1394 forum posts 103 photos | Had a keysafe at the m-i-l's for years, with no problems. Required for the twice a day carers to gain access & has been handy for first responders when she has triggered the fob after falls while we were away. The keysafe is in a porch next to the back door, but the key inside is for the front door. More of an issue for us WRT to security is that she insists on leaving the front door ajar in summer, but frequently falls asleep in a chair during the day. Anyone could just walk in but, as she has memory problems, she cannot be reasoned with & won't change her behavior. So the keysafe is the least of our security concerns. Nigel B. |
gerry madden | 19/02/2022 12:29:25 |
331 forum posts 156 photos | +1 Keysafe. |
Neil Wyatt | 19/02/2022 12:30:11 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | A keysafe is going to be as secure as a keypad on the door. They are used all over by lots of places and I'm sure you can get insurance approved ones. It avoids upsetting your mum's routines as well. |
Baz | 19/02/2022 12:39:16 |
1033 forum posts 2 photos | Bloke from alarm company came round late last year to service house alarm and noticed the key safe. He reckoned they can be got off the wall in seconds and then taken somewhere and forced open at the thieves leisure. His advice was to epoxy the bolts in or use rawlbolts. |
peak4 | 19/02/2022 13:13:10 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Ian, re keysafes don't get a "Master" one; there was one fitted at our new spot in Buxton, which took me a minute of so to open once I'd seen the relevant Youtube video. Bill |
Bill Phinn | 19/02/2022 13:46:11 |
1076 forum posts 129 photos | I've had to enter quite a few properties in my area using keys stowed in key safes. My experience tells me:
My conclusion is that if you live in a decent area a key safe is probably OK, and if the area is a high-crime one they won't need your key anyway in order to break in. |
Robert Atkinson 2 | 19/02/2022 13:53:37 |
![]() 1891 forum posts 37 photos | You can get an electric release striker plate / box for either mortice or surface (Yale) locks. Get a fail-locked one and connect to an electronic entry pad. Keys work as normal and pad releases the electrical. Robert G8RPI. |
duncan webster | 19/02/2022 14:16:34 |
5307 forum posts 83 photos | In similar vein, Currently I have a hardwired doorbell which rings in the house, and I've connected a pair of relay contacts across the push one of those wireless doorbells so it also rings in the workshop. SWMBO fancies one of these doorbell cameras so she can see on her phone who is at the door. Can I interface that with my existing setup? I can't be relied on to have mobile phone with me in the workshop, and anyway can it connect to 2 phones, mine and SWMBO's? |
Stuart Smith 5 | 19/02/2022 14:19:13 |
349 forum posts 61 photos | Ian I would do as you suggest and fit an electric release striker plate (one that keeps locked if the supply fails) with a keypad.
You could fit a security camera system which can also be set to message you when someone enters and record activity. Stuart |
Stuart Smith 5 | 19/02/2022 14:30:04 |
349 forum posts 61 photos | Duncan I have a Ring doorbell. You can install the app on more than one phone. It triggers when it detects movement (or activity as Ring call it) and also if someone presses the doorbell. When I bought it I had problems with it because my internet was the old ADSL system and didn’t have a fast enough upload speed. I changed to fibre broadband and it works ok now. You can set the app with different sounds for activity or doorbell press (or none). You can connect it to an old fashioned mains transformer powered doorbell and this will also keep the battery charged. Stuart |
David Noble | 19/02/2022 16:12:57 |
![]() 402 forum posts 37 photos | This might work for you Ian. My mother in law had them fitted to front and rear doors. It allows the door to be locked on the inside but still opened with a key from a key safe. David |
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