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Neil Wyatt09/02/2015 14:54:28
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Two 2000-ton ships set off from the Azores. One heads east, one heads west.

All other things being equal which ship needs the most fuel to make 20 knots?

Neil

TobaccoBurner09/02/2015 14:58:38
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Relative to what?

JasonB09/02/2015 15:01:31
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Which way is the wind blowing and how strong and whats the tide direction and strength. and if one is a sail boat......

Edited By JasonB on 09/02/2015 15:01:50

FMES09/02/2015 15:08:35
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Well, if all other things are being equal they'll both use the same amount.

JasonB09/02/2015 15:15:56
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But if they both had equal weather conditions say a 10knot North Easterly wind. One could take advantage but the other would be disadvantaged.

FMES09/02/2015 15:23:53
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Wouldn't be 'equal' then Jason smiley

Ady109/02/2015 15:25:51
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All other things being equal

The one heading east

which ship needs the most fuel to make 20 knots

oops edit, the one heading west

Edited By Ady1 on 09/02/2015 15:27:30

Edited By Ady1 on 09/02/2015 15:28:37

Nick_G09/02/2015 15:27:20
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Are we talking about knots of speed here.?

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Roger Provins 209/02/2015 15:30:58
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The one that is going in the same direction as the rotation of the earth?

JasonB09/02/2015 15:32:52
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Isn't that the catch.

Is both having a North easterly equal

Or is both having a head wind equal

Anyway bring on question No 2

Two parting tools, one mounted at the front, one at the back............all being equal...............which cuts bettersmile p

Ady109/02/2015 15:34:32
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Posted by Roger Provins 2 on 09/02/2015 15:30:58:

The one that is going in the same direction as the rotation of the earth?

That's my guess, then edited for the MOST fuel, ie going against gravity and rotation, so west

john kennedy 109/02/2015 15:37:54
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Neither, they are both under sail ?

Roger Provins 209/02/2015 15:39:27
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Posted by JasonB on 09/02/2015 15:32:52:

Isn't that the catch.

Is both having a North easterly equal

Or is both having a head wind equal

 

Anyway bring on question No 2

Two parting tools, one mounted at the front, one at the back............all being equal...............which cuts bettersmile p

The one pointing forwards cuts the metal better BUT the one pointing backwards cuts YOU better.

Edited By Roger Provins 2 on 09/02/2015 15:39:57

FMES09/02/2015 15:50:08
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Time flies like an arrow

Fruit flies like a banana

Neil Wyatt09/02/2015 15:52:09
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Ady gets the point!

Neil

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Bikepete09/02/2015 16:04:37
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Looks like the prominent scientist was Yakov Perelman and the original statement of the problem is possibly here (with maths!).

Edited By Bikepete on 09/02/2015 16:05:39

Speedy Builder509/02/2015 17:16:58
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Coriolis effect ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

John Stevenson09/02/2015 17:34:51
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downhill ?

jason udall09/02/2015 17:35:45
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All the above not withstanding the surface speed of a " stationary" object ...due to 1 rev/24hrs.... Lets see... equitorial circ...24, 900 miles So for rock and roll about 1000 mph... Thus the ship travelling east is doing 1020 and west would bound 980mph. Now just try explaining that to gatso

Edited By jason udall on 09/02/2015 17:44:54

Edited By jason udall on 09/02/2015 17:46:02

Nick_G09/02/2015 18:52:25
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Slightly off topic I know but in some ways not.

The salinity of the water effects the ships draft. Thus if for some reason the salinity on one direction was higher the ship would not sit as deeply in the water so the hull would have less resistance.

Trivial point you might think. But a friend of mine was a navigator and if their destination was a port in a fresh water estuary for example they would have to work out how much deeper they would sit in the water if that ports water depth was marginal for them. Of course factored in would have to be the loss in weight of several thousand tons of fuel they had used on the passage.

So actually a real world issue.

Nick

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