Neil Wyatt | 09/02/2015 14:54:28 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Two 2000-ton ships set off from the Azores. One heads east, one heads west. All other things being equal which ship needs the most fuel to make 20 knots? Neil |
TobaccoBurner | 09/02/2015 14:58:38 |
30 forum posts 3 photos | Relative to what? |
JasonB | 09/02/2015 15:01:31 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Which way is the wind blowing and how strong and whats the tide direction and strength. and if one is a sail boat...... Edited By JasonB on 09/02/2015 15:01:50 |
FMES | 09/02/2015 15:08:35 |
608 forum posts 2 photos | Well, if all other things are being equal they'll both use the same amount.
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JasonB | 09/02/2015 15:15:56 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | But if they both had equal weather conditions say a 10knot North Easterly wind. One could take advantage but the other would be disadvantaged. |
FMES | 09/02/2015 15:23:53 |
608 forum posts 2 photos | Wouldn't be 'equal' then Jason |
Ady1 | 09/02/2015 15:25:51 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | All other things being equal The one heading east which ship needs the most fuel to make 20 knots oops edit, the one heading west Edited By Ady1 on 09/02/2015 15:27:30 Edited By Ady1 on 09/02/2015 15:28:37 |
Nick_G | 09/02/2015 15:27:20 |
![]() 1808 forum posts 744 photos | . Are we talking about knots of speed here.?
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Roger Provins 2 | 09/02/2015 15:30:58 |
344 forum posts | The one that is going in the same direction as the rotation of the earth? |
JasonB | 09/02/2015 15:32:52 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Isn't that the catch. Is both having a North easterly equal Or is both having a head wind equal
Anyway bring on question No 2 Two parting tools, one mounted at the front, one at the back............all being equal...............which cuts better |
Ady1 | 09/02/2015 15:34:32 |
![]() 6137 forum posts 893 photos | Posted by Roger Provins 2 on 09/02/2015 15:30:58:
The one that is going in the same direction as the rotation of the earth?
That's my guess, then edited for the MOST fuel, ie going against gravity and rotation, so west |
john kennedy 1 | 09/02/2015 15:37:54 |
![]() 214 forum posts 24 photos | Neither, they are both under sail ? |
Roger Provins 2 | 09/02/2015 15:39:27 |
344 forum posts | Posted by JasonB on 09/02/2015 15:32:52:
Isn't that the catch. Is both having a North easterly equal Or is both having a head wind equal
Anyway bring on question No 2 Two parting tools, one mounted at the front, one at the back............all being equal...............which cuts better The one pointing forwards cuts the metal better BUT the one pointing backwards cuts YOU better. Edited By Roger Provins 2 on 09/02/2015 15:39:57 |
FMES | 09/02/2015 15:50:08 |
608 forum posts 2 photos | Time flies like an arrow Fruit flies like a banana |
Neil Wyatt | 09/02/2015 15:52:09 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Ady gets the point! Neil |
Bikepete | 09/02/2015 16:04:37 |
250 forum posts 34 photos | Looks like the prominent scientist was Yakov Perelman and the original statement of the problem is possibly here (with maths!). Edited By Bikepete on 09/02/2015 16:05:39 |
Speedy Builder5 | 09/02/2015 17:16:58 |
2878 forum posts 248 photos | Coriolis effect ??
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John Stevenson | 09/02/2015 17:34:51 |
![]() 5068 forum posts 3 photos | downhill ? |
jason udall | 09/02/2015 17:35:45 |
2032 forum posts 41 photos | All the above not withstanding the surface speed of a " stationary" object ...due to 1 rev/24hrs....
Lets see... equitorial circ...24, 900 miles
So for rock and roll about 1000 mph...
Thus the ship travelling east is doing 1020 and west would bound 980mph.
Now just try explaining that to gatso Edited By jason udall on 09/02/2015 17:44:54 Edited By jason udall on 09/02/2015 17:46:02 |
Nick_G | 09/02/2015 18:52:25 |
![]() 1808 forum posts 744 photos | . Slightly off topic I know but in some ways not. The salinity of the water effects the ships draft. Thus if for some reason the salinity on one direction was higher the ship would not sit as deeply in the water so the hull would have less resistance. Trivial point you might think. But a friend of mine was a navigator and if their destination was a port in a fresh water estuary for example they would have to work out how much deeper they would sit in the water if that ports water depth was marginal for them. Of course factored in would have to be the loss in weight of several thousand tons of fuel they had used on the passage. So actually a real world issue.
Nick |
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