Fake Mitutoyo indicator on Ebay

It's even possible that the dial printing missed a process and the thing was rejected by Mitutoyo simply because it didn't have their logo on it, then sold on into whatever supply chain ultimately retailed it through the Bay.

Anybody's guess who actually made it. I know back in the 80s Baty made their own plunger dial indicators, but finger types were purchased in with the Baty logo from Girod in Switzerland. I think these days that - at very best - a brand name might sometimes just represent a set of inspection standards, and on small goods even those will only be applied to a statistical sample.

Edited By Mick B1 on 25/04/2020 14:33:59

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That reinforces my belief that you should report this direct to Mitutoyo, Barrie

MichaelG.

Sure is a crazy world, almost everything is cock-eyed.

If I recall correctly Matsui TVs were so named because consumers trusted Japanese electronics more than western makes. They were made in South Wales.

A supermarket near you might be selling 'Woodside Farms' produce, or similar cosy name. There are no such farms.

Most Brands and Companies are owned by multinationals we've never heard of, often based in unlikely places like Vanuatu.

Bats aren't blind. French Letters, Welsh Rarebit, Dutch Courage and Swedes are all English. Kilts and Tartans aren't originally Scots. No Ploughman ever ate a Ploughman's Lunch. Hobnobs aren't a traditional biscuit (1985). My vacuum cleaner isn't a Hoover. Most money doesn't exist. James Watt didn't invent the Steam Engine, Alexander Graham Bell didn't invent the telephone, and Edison didn't invent the light bulb.

At the atomic scale Shrodingers Cat is simultaneously alive and dead. At astronomical scale, clocks really do slow down at high speeds.

As what we see with our own eyes is processed between 0.15 and 0.5 seconds after the reality it's a wonder anything is trusted at all!

Dave

How much reputational risk is there? In your example, nobody tried to pass it off as Mitutoyo's product.

If the clock was made by a subbie, the omission spotted by their QA and rejected, how would anybody at Mitutoyo ever find out if the individual product or small batch was sold on informally through a supply chain that led to the Bay? They'd have to read these forums to notice the proprietary Item Code, and even then they could only suspect.

Of course, if you can distinguish its quality from a kosher Mitutoyo product, that's clear enough.

From other threads, I think we know clearly enough the Moore and Wright tools on sale now ain't crafted by nobody in Sheffield.

Edited By Mick B1 on 25/04/2020 17:01:58

Is there any Chinese address given on the outer packaging, Barrie, or any indication of an address in emails/Ebay messages you've received?

I'd be interested to know whether the seller is Hong Kong-based or on the mainland. The quality of his English suggests the first.

Is it really worth the hassle?

Mitutoyo will not be interested, most companies just can not spare the manpower to chase these knockoffs.

Jim

I believe that Moore & Wright started their micrometer manufacturing business with copies, (knock-offs!!) of a Swiss design.

Barrie,

I think we've been at cross purposes. At 14:33 I was commenting on Ron's unnamed dial gauge, not the deliberate fake you have. It was Ron's gauge that I thought might have been rejected for despatch to Mitutoyo and sold on by an unknown subbie.

I wish I'd kept the 1960s Indonesian whiskey bottle that carried the label 'Made In Scottland'...

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I wouldn't let it worry your conscience, he'll probably end up telling you his boss has his grandmother and pet cat suspended over an alligator pool in a cage until you remove the feedback.

They will try anything to get bad feedback removed.

Neil

I'd thought that eBay had changed the rules on feedback a while ago to the effect that feedback couldn't be subsequently changed.

Not true?

These cheapo knock-offs have a whole different mechanism from the genuine Mitutoyos so no way they can be rejects from the real factory, or even made by an authorised subbie for Mitutoyo.

Giveaways include the finger pivot on a Mitutoyo is a tiny ball bearing while on the knock-offs its an adjustable pair of taper points with a threaded lock ring. Visible at a glance . On closer inspection, the Mitutoyo dovetails on the body for mounting clamp to grip on are machined. On the knock-offs they are poorly die cast. There is a difference on the bezel too, I forget exactly what but believe it was the knurling when I checked out mine against the real thing some years ago.

Edited By Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:20:59

Edited By Hopper on 26/04/2020 00:21:34

Well observed Hopper. The bezel on the "knockoffs" is nothing like any genuine Mitutoyo! (I have a couple of real Mitutoyo's). Also, the box, instructions, test cert and mounting lugs are all different in the cheapies.

Jim

From what I can see, you can add further comments to your feedback or you can change neutral or negative feedback subject to a Feedback Revision Request from the seller (which you can ask them for), but you cannot change Positive Feedback once given.

Feedback can be reversed. I will leave a negative if I get no joy with a complaint, usually they will give a refund if you agree to change the feedback.

Jim

Matsui TVs were so named because consumers trusted Japanese electronics more than western makes. They were made in South Wales.

So were genuine Sonys - big factory in Bridgend. Previous employer rebuilt a manual Ajax horizontal milling machine as CNC to machine the curved frame that held the grid at the front of CRTs.

Nigel B.

On the subject of ebay fakery:

**LINK**

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Metal-Lathe-read-description/153887637891

MichaelG.