Vic | 12/07/2019 16:58:16 |
3453 forum posts 23 photos | Posted by Clive Hartland on 12/07/2019 14:31:38:
I am at a loss to understand how they are going to replace ALL the diesel lorries that are used for carriage of goods to electric. Also how are they going to get an electric Bulldozer or a JCB unless diesel. In fact any earthmover? I haven’t heard about any plans to ban Diesel Lorries. Have you got a link for that? But once again it’s a red herring, cars are the problem not trucks: It has to be said though that if truck companies were interested then maybe they could develop clean Petrol Lorries? There were plenty of them around years ago. One element transport companies would love to get rid of is the driver. If fully Autonomous vehicles become a reality then we wouldn’t need the economy of scale of using huge trucks. People have been complaining about them for years. As far as specialist stuff like earth movers etc there are so few of them compared to cars it makes no odds. They also don’t drive through towns chocking people. It’s also worth mentioning that some of the most powerful movers I’ve seen on TV were electric anyway. No doubt Diesel powered but just one engine. Diesel is just not practical for some of these machines except as a generator and that could no doubt be replaced with other methods. I won’t bother mentioning ships, which are admittedly a problem, but once again they don’t go down our high streets. Scrap Diesel cars first, then follow on with other stuff later.
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pgk pgk | 12/07/2019 17:07:02 |
2661 forum posts 294 photos | Electric lorries are on the way but this amount of road transport has been nonsense for ages. It needsa radical rethink on the 'just in time' logistics and transport way more by rail to basic hubs or even go back to the jolly old barge idea when cargo is inert. We need to get away from this constant rush to spend and use up resources. |
Vic | 12/07/2019 17:29:48 |
3453 forum posts 23 photos | Posted by pgk pgk on 12/07/2019 17:07:02:
Electric lorries are on the way but this amount of road transport has been nonsense for ages. It needsa radical rethink on the 'just in time' logistics and transport way more by rail to basic hubs or even go back to the jolly old barge idea when cargo is inert. We need to get away from this constant rush to spend and use up resources. I thoroughly agree. |
Nick Wheeler | 12/07/2019 17:50:39 |
1227 forum posts 101 photos | Posted by pgk pgk on 12/07/2019 17:07:02:
Electric lorries are on the way but this amount of road transport has been nonsense for ages. It needsa radical rethink on the 'just in time' logistics and transport way more by rail to basic hubs or even go back to the jolly old barge idea when cargo is inert. We need to get away from this constant rush to spend and use up resources. You do know that the expensive bit of moving goods is not the distance that it travels, but any handling that is required? So moving stuff from A to hub B by rail, to a distribution centre C then to the destination D is much less efficient than forking it onto a truck and going straight from A to D. |
not done it yet | 12/07/2019 19:46:32 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by Clive Hartland on 12/07/2019 14:31:38:
I am at a loss to understand how they are going to replace ALL the diesel lorries that are used for carriage of goods to electric. Also how are they going to get an electric Bulldozer or a JCB unless diesel. In fact any earthmover? As usual, behind the curve! Have a look at this if you don’t believe me. Check up on the large number of electric trucks and vans now available. HYVE are already working with JCB and JCB are soon to introduce their first all-electric excavator. If you don’t believe me, read it for yourself, here: It would help if all the naysayers would do a little research before posting? Or is it just ‘heads in the sand’ mindset? |
Maurice Taylor | 12/07/2019 20:19:20 |
275 forum posts 39 photos | What an MSM please ? |
RMA | 12/07/2019 20:32:07 |
332 forum posts 4 photos | Posted by Barnaby Wilde on 12/07/2019 20:02:15:
In threads like this one, it never ceases to amaze me just how much of the BS we are fed by the MSM is actually taken in & converted into "the truth is" statements of beliefs by folk who really should be old & wizened enough to know better. You know that your politicians lie to you, you know that your MSM lies to you, yet you still form your opinions from both of those sources !
Agree. Who says these so-called experts know the answer anyway. It's strange how the world has survived this long having gone through extreme heat and cold over millions of year's, proved by deep core samples, and I don't think cars were on the scene then. I don't understand how carbon offsetting and green taxes reduce the pollution, it's all about money. I think we have to accept that the roads in Britain are at breaking point, but so are schools, housing, doctor's surgeries, hospitals etc. The common denominator to all our problems is too much demand for everything which equates to too many people around. Looking at it globally, there is not even enough food or water to go around either....too many people! As soon as the media creates this hysteria about this or anything else, the government has a knee jerk reaction and we all suffer as a result. |
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SillyOldDuffer | 12/07/2019 21:06:55 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by Barnaby Wilde on 11/07/2019 20:19:47:
Anyone who still has their 'wits' about them can work out that EV's do not yet win the economic argument over an ICE equivalent. If the environmental aspect cancels that out for you then I'm sorry to say that you probably misunderstand the true environmental impact of anything & choose to believe what you believe to be true. I also listened to the recent radio 4 slot on EV's with great interest, it got very many things very horribly wrong. Did you know that the EV equivalent of an ICE vehicle costs substantially more to insure??? Of course you did, after all you still have your 'wits' about you & you believe everything that the BBC says . . .
I have £100 to donate to the charity of your choice, to anyone who can come up with the real reason that the insurance underwriters consider an EV to be a greater risk than it's ICE equivalent . . . .
'Barnaby', where did you get the idea 'the EV equivalent of an ICE vehicle costs substantially more to insure?' Can we have some examples please? And please don't leave us in suspense - what is the 'real reason' insurance underwriters consider an EV to be a greater risk than it's ICE equivalent . . . . Dave |
martin perman | 12/07/2019 21:21:54 |
![]() 2095 forum posts 75 photos | Posted by not done it yet on 12/07/2019 19:46:32:
Posted by Clive Hartland on 12/07/2019 14:31:38:
It would help if all the naysayers would do a little research before posting? Or is it just ‘heads in the sand’ mindset? I personally dont see the point of searching for something I will never be able to aspire to or afford and I certainly dont have my head buried in the sand. Martin P |
Nigel Graham 2 | 12/07/2019 21:30:30 |
3293 forum posts 112 photos | What is the most glaring omission in all the public waffle about leaving the crude oil in the ground (as that young lass from Sweden thinks she's eminently qualified to tell Governments to do), or in the more serious warnings about it running out? Anyone spot it? If you do are far more on the ball than most politicians, reporters and "green" (!) campaigners put together.... There's a clue in RMA's comment that politicians don't think things through. |
Baz | 12/07/2019 21:39:48 |
1033 forum posts 2 photos | What is MSM, google tells me it is a drug useful for Arthritis, must be doing something wrong, silly me. |
SillyOldDuffer | 12/07/2019 21:59:52 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by Baz on 12/07/2019 21:39:48:
What is MSM, google tells me it is a drug useful for Arthritis, must be doing something wrong, silly me. Or even 'Men who have Sex with Men'...
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Former Member | 12/07/2019 22:18:02 |
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SillyOldDuffer | 12/07/2019 22:31:04 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Posted by 34046 on 12/07/2019 20:51:20:
... Quite how you would come up with an electric or something else replacement for the Boeing 747 or the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier I know not. ...
Bill
I think all the US Carriers are nuclear, and at least one features an electromagnetic catapult. Organic fuels including diesel can be made from cereal if need be. It's horribly expensive but that might not worry the military much. The Queen Elizabeth's propellers are driven by electric motors, though not for green reasons - the electricity is diesel generated with gas turbine boosters. Dave |
Clive Hartland | 12/07/2019 22:40:25 |
![]() 2929 forum posts 41 photos | Barrie, there is a lake in the USA that has millions of tons of of Lithium under the surface layer. It takes some extracting and is shipped all over the US to achieve this. Everybody is hoping for some spectacular breakthrough for motive power, physics at the moment are not giving anything useful it seems. My post was more of a query about how all this was to be achieved but what the hell at 82 my time on this planet is a bit limited and I am not splashing out anymore monies on pie in the sky expensive cars. Most of what I posted was/is quite valid and I would like to see some answers. |
Michael Gilligan | 12/07/2019 22:46:18 |
![]() 23121 forum posts 1360 photos | Posted by Clive Hartland on 12/07/2019 22:40:25:
Most of what I posted was/is quite valid and I would like to see some answers. . I answered your 'military' question, Clive ... and I was entirely serious. MichaelG. . Example: See para 36.1.3 on the first page of this chapter: Edited By Michael Gilligan on 12/07/2019 23:04:33 |
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dcosta | 12/07/2019 22:55:14 |
496 forum posts 207 photos | Hello Clive, Regards
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