Download Motor Boys Model Engine Plan Book

As the primary aim of putting it here would be non-commercial (sharing it for free & to all) the fact this is a commercial website is incidental so it shouldn't conflict with the CC licence. The impact of the file being here on user numbers would be negligible, as it would mostly be used by people who already members and people wanting to download would not be required to sign up.

In contrast Dropbox is a commercial concern and sharing such content is their chief business model as it encourages people seeking the file to get a Dropbox account and start on the upgrade path to a paid account.

So presumably putting it on Dropbox is more 'commercial'? At least for Dropbox, if not the dropbox user!

But I think it's probably best if I just put it on my personal website - this seems to be in line with the spirit of their wishes and the more places it is, the better.

Neil

It would just be a courtesy to ask them.

From one of the other forums I mentioned "The future of the MEN material has been secured by the Motor Boy Members. They don't want to go public just at the moment as to what they are doing."

I know the book is out there and shared by e-mail and PM but it would be nice to ask before hosting it here in a more public way.

J

Neil,

Do you need a Dropbox account to get the files?

If this is the case, I will remove the link, I assumed anyone could view and save the pdf without any sort of sign up, free or not.

Apologies in advance.

Edited By Russ B on 30/08/2016 11:22:58

Russ,

You certainly do not need a Dropbox account to access my Dropbox so I'm not sure what Neil's concerns are.

Neil,

The link that I put up also contains the additional drawings that were a bonus on the MEN CD, to encorage people to buy it. I believe it was Ron's intention that these should also be put into the public domain.

Rod

Russ i would agree with that. i also have access to high end printing and binding so will gladly participate. good thinking.

Neil after reading the cc website and contacting them there is no issue with a link as long as its attributed properly here is a link https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Best_practices_for_attribution

Not aimed at you Rod, I just mused that dropbox is a company that makes its money by selling file sharing services so to my warped imagination it promotes them more than sharing a file on here - others may disagree
I'm more concerned about the feedback Jason has had from the Motor Boys - they would clearly prefer it if people were not to share the file until a few things are cleared up. I've taken down the page on my own website.

I'd politely suggest folks might not want to share it in other places until the situation is settled.

Neil

As much as one would like to do the right thing, I think that given that Ron Chernich passed away in early 2014, and as it seems that during the intervening 18 months no one has made any serious attempt to try and take responsibility for the Plan Book, it would be a pity for it if it to disappear into oblivion. So instead it would be nice if it found a permanent home on some web site, perhaps 'Stub Mandrel' would be willing to restore his now deleted page.

It would of course be polite to get permission from the surviving Motor Boys where possible, but unless one of the Motor Boys actively objects, I don't see that there any ethical reasons against hosting the book on a not-for-profit site.

Clive

All I will say is that solicitors are involved in the matter so best left at that until they can sort things out.

J

It's worth pointing out that although the plans were CAD-drawn by Ron Chernich, they are the designs of many people - it's not just his work.

Neil

In view of Jason's comment, perhaps it would be better for the forum if a moderator would be good enough to remove the link in my post.

Thanks,

Rod

I'll do it now Rod and I'm also going to take the one Russ posted off.

Edited By JasonB on 01/09/2016 11:46:56

OK thanks. I'm not sure that Ron was a great respecter of copyright. The CD/DVD version of the website includes a "cookie" which is a scan of pretty well every article on i.c. engines published by M.E.

Rod

I'm not really sure how relevant this is to the copyright issues mentioned above, but

this page may be of interest to those that undestand the situation.

http://www.modelenginenews.org/plans/index.html

MichaellG.

Crazy link - joining was closed on 2013-11-14

John

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John,

Given the chronology ... Why exactly to you think my link is crazy ?

... It may be the last public statement on the matter.

MichaelG.

More likely Ron's editorial almost a year later was the last thing said.

My own thoughts are for those that had the planbook to carry on sharing in private by e-mail and PM as has been done in the past and leave any public hosting/publishing for the solicitors to sort out.

Edited By JasonB on 01/09/2016 18:26:26

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Thanks, Jason ... Duly noted

... and therefore I quote from that page:

The Ultimate MEN issue scheduled for next month will make the Motor Boy's Plan Book available, freely, to everyone as a download.

That simple statement should make any claim to copyright 'interesting'.

MichaelG.

Well if the plans are ever made available, I would like to see them