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John Stevenson29/08/2009 12:01:48
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There is legal precedence that if the magazine is scanned in it's entirety, adverts, covers etc then it can be distributed buy the current magazines owners.
National Geographic went to court over this and won.
 
However the problem is not one of ownership but one of time versus sales.
MEW wouldn't be that hard to do , they are up to issue # 154 and possible have going back to 100 as PDF's which would have been sent to the printer.
 
What format the previous ones are in is no ones guess, possibly they don't exist and have to be scanned in from good copies.
So you are looking at scanning 100 magazines in to get a compilation.
Modern copies run to 11 Meg, I guess earlier copies will run to 20 Meg as they are thicker.
so say 15 Meg on average that's 2.4 Gig
 
I dare say that although this will fit on a DVD Model Engineer will not.
 
Add to this if all the copies of  MEW are available on this site who pays for the bandwidth for the download. Every time someone downloads from this site MYHobbystore has to pay.
So I dares say that the whole of MEW would tax the site as regards download quantity and hosting costs.
 
 
Now take ME, how many copies are there,  ? 4348 is on the cover of the sample.
Who fancies scanning 4348 copies in and remember a large number of these will be on poor paper with poor graphics and will have to be done as graphical PDF's so not searchable.
 
Perhaps MEW will happen, I hope so even though I have the full set, it's nice to be able to scan thru quickly without having to hunt for copies but they will have to be available at a practical cost to cover the time involved in getting these to market.
 
It's next to impossible to get MEW for £1.00 per issue secondhand but as a set it often is, so the set so far would cost £154
Now granted it's not the paper issue which is worth more but at even 50p per copy that's £77
 
I'd like to see more input on what people think the value of a CD is.
 
 
John S.
Peter Tucker29/08/2009 20:56:04
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John,
 
A MEW CD with from isue 1 to 100 I would pay about £50.  I would scan them if you got them to me.
 
Peter.
Adrian03/09/2009 14:51:19
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This is an excellent development - a shame of course that it will not go back furhter than 3 years.  Now have the tricky question of whether to free up shelf space of 3 years magazines and rely on the website or keep my copies!
 
I believe there may be a teething problems with the website though as if  I try a search from the page displaying the frontpages it does not return any results whereas when I searched within the magazine viewer it did.  I searched for McOnie (as I am building it!) if anyone wants to try replicating the problem.
 
Also tried printing a page only to find the right hand side went off the page -no obvious printer settings to rectify.

Adrian
Jim K07/09/2009 11:01:59
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Dave,
are you considering having a digital subscription to MEW and ME where you only get access to the mag's online, nothing posted to the home. I would be very interested in this subscription.
Jim K
Paul Boscott07/09/2009 11:15:22
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Good Idea Jim
 
Dave
If this goes anywhere Let me know I would pay for an on line subscription I would like to have a method of backing it up to my own hard drive perhaps  the way itunes do it would be posable
 
Paul
Peter Tucker11/09/2009 22:13:52
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Hello Chaps,
What has happened to the discution on digital back issues?  John S. asked how much people are prepared to pay and no one else seems prepared to put a figure on their desires.  So come on if we want them lets show we are at least prepared to pay costs.
 
Peter.
Paul Boscott12/09/2009 07:03:16
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I have this week changed my opinion about the desirability of a digital only subscription.
 

Issue 4360 was on the available back issues before I had received my copy in the post.
 

So I read it on line the system worked well the pages turned at my request and I was able to zoom in to the articles that I wanted to read.

On receiving the hard copy I reread it sitting much more relaxed the reading the complete magazine cover-to-cover including all the articles and adds.

 

I have decided that the latter was the better experience.
 

Paul
 

PS David

I now think that there is a good case for back issues not being available until they are say 6 months old. The security of using the subscriber's number as proof of subscription is not good. I can provide details to back up this statement off line if you want an explanation

Edited By Paul Boscott on 12/09/2009 07:04:17

Edited By Paul Boscott on 12/09/2009 07:05:19

David Clark 112/09/2009 08:17:48
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Hi There
Yes, interested.
Please email me.
regards david
 
Jim K15/09/2009 16:48:13
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David
Yes i would be interested in the purchase of back issues.
jimK
Steel Master16/09/2009 08:29:58
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I have a digital subscription to the US Fine Woodworking magaizine.
 
Living in Australia that magazine in paper form costs an arm and a leg and takes about 3 months to appear on out news stands, as does ME and MEW.
 
A digital subscription for overseas subscribers would be a boon for both the subscribers and the publishers. It could be made available at a reasonable cost, we would have the latest issue available (both for reading on-line and downloading in pdf format) as soon at it appears in the UK.
 
If it works for Fine Woodworking, it could work for ME/MEW and generate extra income, it does for Taunton in the US.
 
They even include full access to their archives in pdf format, all that for about $US35 pa.
Jim K17/09/2009 09:41:06
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Dave
What about The Best Of ME and MEW have you thought of selling them as digitised issues maybe could be done as a pilot scheme.
jimk
Gordon24/09/2009 10:42:23
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I was very surprised to find issue 156 (Nov. 09) in the back issue section as I havn't even received my paper copy yet (Ilive in Spain).
I don't know what is going on with the subscriptions at the moment, I have had to write in twice so far this year to report missing issues, but must admit after reporting, replacements were sent..
On a further note.... I would love to see earlier issues published online to issue 122, I was particularly looking for issue 113 for an article referred to in a later issue.
Thanks
Gordon
PS issue 155 was received on 3rd September.
 
 
David Clark 124/09/2009 12:30:29
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Hi there
No one has received a printed copy.
Still being printed.
regards David
 
Dave Jones 126/09/2009 19:15:18
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Following on from the who would be interested in digital copies discussion... I would be, if nothing else because of the saving on shelf space! would it be possible to try a few trial runs, such as 10 years worth of ME on a dvd for a set price say £20 off the top of my head. 
It just seems that a full set would be useful to a minority whereas 10 years worth would appeal to a wider audience (the early editions to those interested in old tools and methods, early 20th century for those who like the electrical models, 2000's for those interested in CNC. etc...)
Sleazey29/10/2009 07:58:06
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I am a subscriber to MEW.
 
I am unable to read the Model Engineers' Workshop issue No. 15. When I click the magazine cover, I get a new window that is trying to show me a BBC program, but since I am not in the UK, I cannot watch whatever program it is trying to show me. Plus, that doesn't seem related to MEW No. 15. There is no way to skip the BBC material, and no way out of that window except by closing it.
 
I can only assume if I were a UK reader, after being forced to view the BBC program, I would then be taken to the MEW No. 15 page.
 
Is this the way MEW No. 15 is supposed to be viewed?
David Clark 129/10/2009 08:15:01
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Hi There
No 15 is not online.
Let me know which issue is the problem and I will check it and get it sorted if neccesary.
Nobody should be forced to watch the BBC.
regards David
 
Sleazey29/10/2009 18:02:04
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Well, it was distinctly No. 15. The flyover text had a date appropriate for that issue.
 
This morning, when I was looking for it so I could describe the cover to you to verify my sighting, I saw issues 13(?), 14, and 16. I even looked a bit at No. 14.
 
Now, when I am composing this message, none of these "teen" numbers are on the website.
 
What's happening?
 
Also, some issues in the Magazine Viewer window have a text box at the top and bottom that says "Preview Only. Not for use in a live environment" What's that all about?
John Stevenson29/10/2009 21:25:11
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13, 14 15 16?
 
MEW starts at 122 and goes up to 157.
there are no early versions on the page.
 
John S.
 
keithmart29/10/2009 21:37:33
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Hi


Oh yes they were there, I managed to download no 17. 15 was there first thing, and that led you to the bbc site.


The web makers are obviously having a play!!


Regards


Keith


Leeds UK

Tom Wightman19/12/2009 02:41:54
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Hi Guys
 
Moving away from the free/buy and copyright issues for a moment, has anyone else had a problem printing pages from Flexipage?  When I print to a laser printer using the Flexipage "print pages" command the text on the printout is pretty well illegible.  Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?
 
Cheers
 
Tom
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