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Hello Diana,

Yes, that works just fine, thank you. Can you fix the other problem as well?!!

Brian

It's because Apple decided not to follow convention in terms of how newline and carriage return characters are handled.

Also Edge follows Internet Explorer tradition by not following accepted standards for web pages. Hunt around and it has a 'compatibility view' setting somewhere. Microsoft's tacit admission that they don't do web like everyone else.

Unfortunately apple browsers don't have a similar feature - presumably they consider incompatibility as proof the rest of the world has got it wrong

Neil

I can't help but have to say it only happens on this forum. I have to say that the software this forum runs on is the weirdest I've ever come across, God knows where they got it from but it's the most user unfriendly forum software you're ever likely to use apart from Yahoo groups.

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It's because Apple decided not to follow Microsoft's convention in terms of how newline and carriage return characters are handled.

It goes back long before the Mac/Windows battle....

**LINK**

Jon

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Yes, I know, Jon

My point was really that; given those existing circumstances, 'convention' should be that software plays nicely with either interpretation.

Incidentally; the reason that I admitted to not understanding it is that the behaviour on this forum doesn't even follow the obvious CR vs CR+LF scenario; since all that would do for Apple users is add an extra line.

... It's the cursor jump back to the top that's 'interesting'. [Note: this only happens with recent OS and iOS versions] ... If you can explain that one, I would be grateful.

MichaelG.

OK, to be pedantic there is NO 'one true way', but the original intent was to combine a carriage return and a line feed (the Microsoft way) not to use a single control code to combine both movements (Mac).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline

Neil

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I happily accept that, Neil

But; as per my response to Jon ... All of this is incidental to the current [and comparatively recent] problem that Apple users are experiencing on this forum.

My old iPad simply added a line-feed to every carriage-return, resulting in double spacing between paragraphs.

With the new one, the cursor also flies up to the beginning of the post every time I hit 'Return'.

... This behaviour is not explained in any of the links provided so far.

MichaelG.

I am no expert, but it seems it might be that Macs are very keen that 'enter' submits a form but the webform doesn't want to submit until you click 'add posting' so it intercepts the submit command but drops the cursor back in at positions one. I could be very wrong though.

Neil

Sure does. Pedant mode: I used to own a Creed 7B teleprinter, a marvel of precision mechanical engineering that disappeared during a house move.

The 7B used Baudot code which considerably pre-dates computers. The Carriage Return-Linefeed sequence is necessary to give the teleprinter time to physically move the carriage without losing any text. I'm pretty sure that teleprinter design was inspired by even earlier typewriters and their manual carriage return linefeed lever.

Making a working model teleprinter or a mechanical cypher machine like an Enigma would be a serious challenge. Anyone tried it?

Dave

Creed 7B ? Brings back memories to a ex-RAF Telegraph Fitter. And all the rest .. 7BRP, 85R, 7PN3 (?) etc. etc.

Some stuff here about replica Enigmas and other stuff if you're interested. Click the pic.

**LINK**

I knew the code as Murray Code, maybe it's the same thing? IIRC the sequence was often CR-LF-L/S-L/S to give the delay for the C.Ret.

http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/baudot.htm

Here's one of the other things I worked on:

http://cryptomuseum.com/crypto/uk/5uco/index.htm

It does intrigue me how you managed to lose a 7B .. not exactly 'loseable' IMHO.

D.

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:33:24

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:41:21

Edited By Dave Daniels on 05/08/2016 20:44:33

Diane,

Sorry, I've only just read your post

The behaviour on the [iOS 9.3.3] iPad is strange ..., and apparently unpredictable.

I started trying to write up what happens, but gave up ... Confused.

MichaelG.

Hi Everyone, most interesting posts and yes I am using Apple.
Also shift return works so thanks, it was really annoying having to mess around every time I wanted to type a post.
John

Thanks for the links Dave and yes you're quite right about CR-LF-L/S-L/S. (letter shift for the uninitiated). You're also right about it using Murray Code, which is an updated version of Baudot. I can claim to have been half right!

As a teenager I used to run the teleprinter in my bedroom without a silence cover. My parents must have been extremely tolerant. It was VERY noisy!

I'm not sure how it got lost either, it was a big heavy beast. For various reasons the move got pretty chaotic. What with kids and other family duties I didn't miss it for a few years so there was no chance of getting it back.

I still have the tool roll that came with the printer. It's got lots of useful things in it.

Ta,

Dave

Think it's about time one of the Moderators moved the last few posts to a separate Topic, surely the Moderators are not responsible for the OS used for the Forum.

Emgee

I cured Brian Wood's problem with the return, I changed to Chrome. Of all the sites I use, this is the only one that has the problem, no problem

I'm running 9.3.3 on my iPad and it's not any operating any different to any of the previous versions of IOS.

It's just this website.

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Vic,

My previous iPad was one of the originals, and 'frozen' at iOS 5.1.1

For whatever reason, that one did not [and still does not] exhibit the 'jump back to the beginning' feature.

MichaelG.

I only started with an iPad 3 with IOS 6 and it was that way then as far as I can remember.

Apple appear to make every effort to be compatible with web standards but many websites simply don't comply.

Someone has 'reported' a post asking 'how do I contact a moderator'?

The answer moderators have 'moderator' under their profile picture. Click the message member icon at the bottom of a moderator's posting to send them a p[personal message.

If the question is about viewing classifieds, see above - you will ahve to make a number of forum postings to see the contact details.

Neil