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Thread: Phosphoric Acid experiment
17/04/2022 17:42:20

Looks like wrought iron to me. You can often see the same grain structure in old anchors and similar things dredged up from the sea bed. My father had one where you could see the way the grain changed where the smith had fire-welded the shaft.

My blacksmithing instructor in the 1970s said you can identify wrought iron by the smell, because it's all so old...

George

Thread: Need a pen to draw the "finest possible" lines?
17/04/2022 17:35:47

I did try mapping pens (my Mum, a tracer, produced some wonderful work with them) but I'm left-handed which makes me literally a pen-pusher. On paper the straight nib caught in the fibres of the paper then broke loose with a splat.

Later I used Rotring pens on tracing paper, then Rotring on mylar which is my favourite. We had tungsten carbide tipped pens because the mylar wore down ordinary pens too quickly.

Later there were plastic pencil leads (permanent or erasable) for use on mylar film and they were horrible.

George

Thread: Domestic Chemistry
13/04/2022 21:29:27
Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 13/04/2022 19:16:48:
Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 13/04/2022 19:00:44:

Mixing them basically makes water and CO2 with possibly a tiny amount of sodium nitrate (lye) but it's insignificant.

... and here's me believing for years that lye is sodium hydroxide.

I'd like to learn how to make sodium nitrate from acetic acid.

George

Thread: Precise technical terms.
12/04/2022 12:37:11

Well, that's two minutes I'll never get back.

Another

internet

video maker

who

thinks

I've

got

all

day

to wait

for

a

cascade

of

obscenities.

George

Thread: April questions---for one day only.
01/04/2022 17:15:33
Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 01/04/2022 16:53:33:

Apparently the customs papers for a chap importing hydraulic rams into Zimbabwe were maked "Livestock" frown

Rob

This can be turned to advantage. When Dad was in senior management in Portsmouth Dockyard during the 1960s, the medical centre applied to buy an electro-cardiograph machine, a very expensive thing in those days. It was turned down by the finance department.

On being told of this, Dad said to the chief medic (who came under his aegis ) "Hmm... So in effect you are measuring the hardness of men's hearts?" and got the reply " Well, yes, in a way that's true." "Leave it with me," said Dad, and resubmitted the order under the engineering budget as a hardness tester. It went through without question.

George

Thread: "Kiv" or Kiev?
31/03/2022 20:38:49
Posted by Mick B1 on 31/03/2022 14:30:43:

I wonder whether sheet music and recordings of Moussorgsky's 'Pictures At An Exhibition' will have the piece previously known as 'The Great Gate Of Kiev' correspondingly renamed?

If President Poo-tin (which I am told is also the Russian word for bed-pan) does to Kyiv what he has done to Mariupol and a large swathe of Syria, what it's called will be of academic interest only.

George

Thread: What adhesive - that shrinks when it sets - do you recommend for melamine laminate sheets?
31/03/2022 10:36:50
Posted by HOWARDT on 30/03/2022 20:54:51:

Many years ago built my own kitchen cupboards, chipboard doors covered with Formica fixed with Evostick contact adhesive. Never came off while I lived with it, moved after ten years.

Dad used Formica stuck down with Evostik in Mum's kitchen in 1966. It was still all firmly fixed when we sold the house in 2005.

Nobody seems to have mentioned thixotropic cements like Thixofix and Timebond. They are similar to Evostik but are more forgiving of accidental touch-downs.

George

Thread: Liquid Plus Gas
29/03/2022 15:00:02

Don't forget that the makers of WD40 now market a whole range of products under the WD40 name, including a penetrating fluid.

Mind you, when we ran out of Plus Gas in the 1970s, Dad re-filled the tin with a 50/50 mix of light oil and paraffin. We used it for years and never noticed a difference.

George

Thread: Looting
19/03/2022 12:39:45

It sounds like the stuff my father used when he was a dockyard apprentice in the 1920s. They used to roll it into little balls and fire it at each other through bits of pipe. Apparently there was a neighbouring house with a roof window visible over the dockyard wall. When the window was open the challenge was to fire a pellet through the opening. Dad wondered if the occupants ever worked out where the little black pellets came from.

George

Thread: Suspension Bush material
16/03/2022 00:02:52
Posted by Fatgadgi on 15/03/2022 12:09:05:

... Nylon 6 can absorb moisture (presumably it’s outdoor) which doesn’t cause any issues that should concern you, except they can swell slightly. But we’re talking small dimensional changes, so just don’t make it too tight to start. Nylon 66 absorbs less if high accuracy is an issue.

Cheers Will

How slight are we talking? I had no end of trouble getting the nylon bushes out of a friend's bike's seized headset. They had expanded to the extent that I had to apply extreme force to move anything.

Presumably, for Colin's application longevity won't be such an issue.

George

Thread: Model Engineers Handbook
11/03/2022 13:30:23

I came here to comment on Geo. H. Thomas's The Model Engineer's Workshop, but have stayed to thank the contributors for the very measured discussions of freeemasonry and school-teaching.

My late father was a freemason (as were my grandfather, uncle and brother) and for many decades a church elder. He would not have stayed five minutes in an organisation which was corrupt or questionable.

I started out as a power station apprentice and ended as a science and technology teacher, and became very disillusioned by the general public's jaundiced view of teaching, something they had never done and didn't really understand. It was only the interaction with the kids that kept me at it for so many years. The teachers I really admire are those who teach Maths, or History, or RE with no practical input.

Anyway, back to Thomas's book: It's full of really valuable information based on sound thinking and practical experience. However, having its origins in a series of magazine articles, there are lots of vegetables and gravy along with the meat. That's not a criticism because I learned when I was a technical author (yes, I've been about a bit) that one writes according to the needs of one's readership. When I write the occasional magazine article I put in vegetables and gravy, and a bit of seasoning too.

When I want to tackle one of his projects (or indeed, any other magazine-based project) I scan and convert the original and boil it down to what I need. It not only gives me a more useable text, but aids my understanding too.

George

Thread: Financial surnames
10/03/2022 14:15:36

A harmless hobby of mine over the years has been a search for the perfect surname. I'm quite happy with my own, but it has nine legitimate spellings (so far discovered) and countless illegitimate ones. So:

  • It has to be capable of announcing over the telephone without spelling it out (so Bailey, Bayly, Baillie, Bailie etc are out).
  • It has to be pronounceable correctly without guidance (so Hindley and Hindley etc. are out. I had one of each in the same tutor group when I was a teacher);
  • It must have no negative connotations (so Slack, Idle, Thick, Loveless etc. are out);
  • It must have no sexual connotations (think of your own examples. I was at school with girls called Hoare and Toplice);
  • It should have no tribal connotations (so Douglas, Preece, MacHine are out);
  • It should contain no diacritic or punctuation marks (so O'Really, M'Spreader and Brontë are out);
  • It should be capable of no risible connotations (I have actually come across Walter Fall, Will Barrow, Nora Way and I.C. Double, and about twenty years ago a friend showed me an entry in the register of veterinarians for a man named Everard Cock) ;
  • It should raise no questioning eyebrows when first announced (so Andrewartha is out);

and so on. The stongest candidate so far is Hill, but the search continues.

George

 

Edited By Georgineer on 10/03/2022 14:17:39

Thread: Is this distasteful
10/03/2022 13:40:20

If we're correctly informed then, I'm breaking the law by having as a souvenir the first cartridge fired from an experimental 30 mm cannon I designed. Oh dear.

While I wait for the police to come and get me I shall pass the time by making an almost-relevant post in the Financial Surnames thread.

George

Thread: Lever operated tailstock attachment Myford
09/03/2022 11:59:28
Posted by Hopper on 09/03/2022 09:44:15:
Posted by Georgineer on 08/03/2022 21:56:45:

I love my lever attachment, with one reservation. The handle sticks out a long way and catches me when I'm walking past in my cramped workshop. I've taken to removing the handle when not using it.

George

Can it not be rotated so the lever sticks upwards?

I never thought of that! I'm not sure if it would be so convenient to use, but I'll have a play. It's actually no problem to remove the handle. The rod fits snugly into its socket, and I don't tighten the screw.

George

08/03/2022 21:56:45

I love my lever attachment, with one reservation. The handle sticks out a long way and catches me when I'm walking past in my cramped workshop. I've taken to removing the handle when not using it.

George

Thread: Railway station toilet signs
06/03/2022 15:03:19
Posted by Nigel Graham 2 on 05/03/2022 23:25:35:

As a native of Emsworth I became quite accustomed to using the local station and the EMUs on the former SR line (Southampton - Brighton) . Though more than 60 years later I am pretty sure it was on those trains that this sign used to puzzle me:

"Gentlemen Adjust Your Dress Before Leaving The Lavatory"

Certainly that's the exhortation cast into the urinal at one of the stations on the Watercress Line.

George (resident of Emsworth from 1966 to 1978)

Thread: Financial surnames
05/03/2022 15:06:02
Posted by Roger Vane on 05/03/2022 14:24:22:

Slightly different topic, but once went to a dentist whose surname was Mercy

Three of my fellow apprentices were named Pope, Mercy and Heaven.

Back to the financial topic, my son's former music teacher is called Tanner.

George

Thread: Electrical calculations
04/03/2022 22:04:23
Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 04/03/2022 19:18:08:
Posted by Georgineer on 04/03/2022 17:18:05:

I [milliamps] = 550 [milliwatts] / 24 [volts] = 23 milliamps near enough.

The relay will not be fussy about a few volts under or over the 24, nor will it be fussy about a.c. or d.c.

Sorry but No.

I agree with the arithmetic - but I need to echo Andrew's comment about the relay WILL mind whether it's AC or DC. They're not interchangeable.

While I accept that any relay with a built-in snubber diode would get upset on a.c., and that latching relays with permanent magnets do exist, at the scale we're dealing with here I'm surprised that it would matter.

Please tell me more. I'm always ready to learn.

George

04/03/2022 22:00:20
Posted by PatJ on 04/03/2022 18:16:08:

I often see the equation V = I *R, where current is calcuated.

It should be noted that the actual equation that should be used is V = I*R*cos theta

where cos theta is the power factor.

I learned early in my career just how important the cos theta is.

We designed a large knitting plant, and the power factor of the knitting machines was assumbed to be around 80-90%.

Service entrace calculated out at 2,000 amperes at 480 volts, 3-phase.

I had someone go and put a tester on one of the knitting machines, and turrns out the motor was old, and so the power factor turned out to be 50%, which pushed the service entrance to almost 4,000 amperes.

You can generally correct power factor at the motors, but you can't always assume this can or will be done.

So does this affect small electrical devices and services?

Probably not, but good to know perhaps.

Edited By PatJ on 04/03/2022 18:16:39

Correct theory, but I simplified it because, unlike your example (which is an interesting story in itself) we aren't dealing in kiloVARs.

I'd be interested to see a relay spec which refers to its power factor, or its inductance. I'm even a bit surprised that this one quotes its power consumption rather than voltage and resistance.

George

04/03/2022 17:18:05

Is it the current rating you're after? If so, start from the well-known formula "Power = Ivy Watts", or

power = current x voltage

re-arrange it:

current = power/voltage

stick your numbers in with the units:

I [milliamps] = 550 [milliwatts] / 24 [volts] = 23 milliamps near enough.

You're unlikely to find one as small as that, but anything bigger will do the job without breaking a sweat.  The relay will not be fussy about a few volts under or over the 24, nor will it be fussy about a.c. or d.c.  If you haven't already got  the transformer, it's worth checking local charity shops as they often have a basket of 'wall-warts' which can be adapted to one's own purposes.

George

George

Edited By Georgineer on 04/03/2022 17:23:17

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