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A Challenge - How Would You Machine This Part?

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Andrew Johnston02/06/2011 15:58:25
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Here's a tongue in cheek challenge!
 
How would you machine the part shown below? It's a true bevel gear pinion, 10 teeth, 6DP, 3/4" face width. The largest OD is just under 2".
 

As illustrated, the bevel gears are machined in aluminium; the final parts will be in cast iron. Note that. after deburring, the gears mesh together perfectly.
 
So, what machines would you use, what accessories might be needed, and what tools would you use or need?
 
Regards,
 
Andrew
WALLACE02/06/2011 16:32:41
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Definetly one for CNC, no argument about it !!
 
 
W.

Edited By WALLACE on 02/06/2011 16:33:18

JasonB02/06/2011 16:36:39
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If they are bevel gears for a traction engine diff then just cast them in iron and use as is, plenty about like that including mine.
 
Jason
Donald Mitchell02/06/2011 16:52:53
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I'd use my grandpa's old hacksaw and finish the teeth off with a nice rat tailed file I bought in Woolworths about 30 years ago; I can work to about 2/10 of a thou with that file, who needs CNC
Donald
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WALLACE02/06/2011 17:04:47
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Easey-peasey.

I'd machine them in the same way as the aluminium version !!
 
W.
 
 

Edited By WALLACE on 02/06/2011 17:27:37

Tony Jeffree02/06/2011 17:12:31
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I'd send the drawings to John Stevenson attached to a suitable number of beer vouchers

Regards,
Tony

Edited By Tony Jeffree on 02/06/2011 17:12:58

Stephen Benson02/06/2011 17:14:03
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Horizontal milling machine with a dividing head on an angle

Edited By Stephen Benson on 02/06/2011 17:16:31

dcosta02/06/2011 17:16:11
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Hello Donald.

"I can work to about 2/10 of a thou with that file, who needs CNC" ?

I do. I have tendinitis in both shoulders so can't be more than 1 or two minutes with a file swinging back and forth...

But I must say that by now I haven't CNC at home.

I would like to have, but will not abandon manual control of the machines. I like it very much. Except when it contends with my shoulders or patience...

In fact I'm expecting the announced Tony Jeffree article about lathe screw control to start a new project.


Best regards
Dias Costa


mgj02/06/2011 17:55:11
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Depends on what it is for - but I have a couple of bevel pinions for the TE to do - a 4" Little Samson in 6DP. I'll do them in cast iron as a parallel depth bevel - see Ivan laws book. I will also do the bevel ring gear like that too. He does do a cast version which I used on the 3" LS, but I fancy a change
 
With a GHT VDH the blank  roll is easily achieved using the plate wheel.
 
No CNC at all - fully manual devised during WW1. Aint exactly difficult with a dividing head and mill.

Edited By mgj on 02/06/2011 17:56:33

ady02/06/2011 20:24:28
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I'd email the picture to Taiwan and ask them to knock some up.
ady02/06/2011 20:31:46
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On a more serious note.
 
Read up "gear wheels and gearcutting" by a.w. marshall
David Clark 102/06/2011 21:25:04
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Hi Tony
And John would put it on a CNC mill I expect.
regards david
 
John Stevenson02/06/2011 23:13:22
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A few options.
 
Probably the most accurate is to sent it to the local gear cutters to be cut on a Gleason Bevel gear cutter. that might be classed as cheating though.
 
Next is to mill it on a milling machine with universal dividing head that can tilt, like the BS0 and BS1 and take 3 cuts, one on centre, one above and one below centre. This does entail some hand filing of the addendum from half way down the face width to get to run correctly.
 
Followed by what MGJ says and cut to constant depth, again three cuts but no hand finishing. Only problem with this method is you have to do the pair, a constant depth bevel will not run with a normal bevel.
 
Then we get the CNC option, again needs tilting dividing head driven by stepper, now I have had to do a bit of guesswork here as Andrew hasn't given any detail on the mating gear and this controls some of the parameters so I have taken a guess at a 10 tooth driving a 45 to get a pitch angle matching the photo.
 
Literally 10 minutes work filling boxes in gets me this.
 
 
This drawing now gives me all the information I need and 5 minutes later i have the code for this [ which i don't need to look at, just load it and Mach3 tells me it will take 1 hour 58 minutes and 53 seconds to cut this.
 
 
And this on the little KX1 mill, run time just below the screen.
 
John S.
Tony Jeffree02/06/2011 23:26:08
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Posted by David Clark 1 on 02/06/2011 21:25:04:
Hi Tony
And John would put it on a CNC mill I expect.
regards david
 
Hi David -
 
Is there another way?
 
Regards,
Tony
John Stevenson02/06/2011 23:39:33
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Forgot to add in the previous post that the program is expecting a cutter of max diameter of 0.1786 so i programmed a 5/32 as being the nearest stock size but could have used a 4mm or a 4.5mm cutter so no expensive tooling needed.
 
John S.
Steve Withnell03/06/2011 00:01:46
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I'd approximate and use parallel depth method to cut manually on my mill drill...but only because I haven't bought a KX1 yet and the lust grows daily...
Nicholas Farr03/06/2011 00:14:34
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Hi,

 

I give up must be an easyer way.
 
Regards Nick
ady03/06/2011 01:02:02
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So, what machines would you use, what accessories might be needed, and what tools would you use or need?
 
A shaping machine and some hss tools, with the blank mounted on a dividing head which could be set over at one end for the bevelly tapery bit.
Do the narrow cut.
Set over left. Do the left hand cut
Set over right. Do the right hand cut
Stewart Hart03/06/2011 09:57:28
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All methods suggested are feasable as long as they end up fit for purpose, so the most important thing you have to consider,
 
WHATS IT FOR
 
Stew
Richard Parsons03/06/2011 11:02:44
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In chapter 5 “Line Shaft”, 6 "Machining the gear cutters", 7 “Machining the gear teeth” and Appendix A “You can machine Skew Bevel gears” of his book The Climax Logging Engine (ISBN 0-914104-09-8) the author Kozo Hiraoka details everything you need to make bevel gears in your lathe. He details the jigs, gauges, the cutters and the formula etc. He also tells you how to make the stuff and then to cut the wheels,

Hope it helps.

Ok he is working with ‘skew gears’ but you just omit the ‘off set’. You may have trouble getting the correct ‘wire size’ for your 6 DP 10 tooth cutter. I do not know where to find them. 'Hiraoka samma' tells you how to calculate it.

I have used gauge plate to machine cast iron valve seats. Take it slow and gentle and you can do it.

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Edited By Richard Parsons on 03/06/2011 11:08:52

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