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RDG Myford Quick Change Tool Post

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Michael Wilde17/04/2010 00:42:54
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Hi folks, I've just got back from the Myford open day. They were doing 0 vat on tooling etc which got me looking round for their Dickson Quick Change Tool Post. Unfortunately it was still out of my price range at £150. I've seen the RDG version that looks very similar? Does anyone have one of these and care to comment on the quality? I wouldn't expect it to be outstanding for less than half the price of the Myford unit (£65 new on Ebay). They look very similar in design, are the tool holders interchangeable?
JasonB17/04/2010 07:59:04
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I have bought holders from another regular advertiser in ME and found they needed a little work on them before they would fully seat on my original Dickson post, holders I have previously bought from Myford fitted fine.
 
The quality of the cheaper holders seems just as good as the proper job.
 
Jason
John C17/04/2010 08:41:20
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Hi,
 I have an RDG and also a Myford tool holder. The RDG ones are good value but the quality has been known to vary - if you can get to the shop it would be worth having a look at a few sets.  I returned a set (a while ago, it must be said) with canted adjusting screws and it was replaced immediately with absolutely no quibble. The build quality of the Myford is better with slightly beefier adjusters, better fitting tool clamping screws and slightly less rotation to the cam lock operation - but it should be for an extra £100!  My RDG has done perfectly well and has survived a couple of serious jam ups.  When I get round to it I plan to replace the adjusters on the RDG but that's all.  The holders that I have are interchangeable both ways - that is Myford tool holder on RDG bock and vice -versa -  but that may not be the case for every set.
It would be great to support Myford but if you didn't buy their product anyway they have not lost out.  I would endorse the RDG version as good value for money and you could buy several extra toolholders with the price difference.........
Rgds ,
John (no connection etc)
mgj17/04/2010 09:16:17
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Generically I don't think there is a problem, but spare toolholders has been my issue.
 
Some Chiwanese ones I have bought have been perfect and on some the compatible bevels has been not so compatible, and they have been prone to shake loose under vibration. OK for light duty like holding DTIs or bevel tools etc.
 
Having said that the ones that did fit properly have been perfect for several years.
 
The toolpost is genuine Myford Dickson and is not far off 30 years old - thats fine!
KWIL17/04/2010 11:08:44
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I have only one RDG copy that fitted properly, all the rest went back.  Myford ones are UK made, as for supporting Myford John, it is either support them or loose them. This means that the Spares support we expect from them would also go.
John C17/04/2010 13:06:50
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Kwil, I support Myford plenty!  The OP stated that he didn't buy their toolholder because it was out of his price range.  He didn't not buy it because he thought the RDG ones were better value - he made the deciion that it was simply too expensive.  Therefore it makes no difference to Myford's finances whether he uses the toolholder he has now or buys a different one.
John
JasonB17/04/2010 13:23:19
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MGJ if yours are loose I found that on some of my imported ones they were touching either side of the cam before the bevels were seated, quick touch on the linisher soon removed the offending metal. They all lock solidly now with now play and at five holders for about £50 I think they are good value.
 
Jason
mgj17/04/2010 18:06:25
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Thanks Jason - I admit I didn't look overcarefully, but I will this evening.
 
(On another note I took your recommendation . I'm just starting a Metre Maid and asked Helen Verral if she'd do the boiler. You've always said shes very good in copper. Delivery is 11 months which is OK)

Rob Manley18/04/2010 00:06:52
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Does anyone know where i can get the Bison/Toolmex ones from?  All of a sudden they seemed to have dissapeared from the face of the earth.  I have heard stories of fettling having to be done before they fitted and really that seems to be silly but hey ho.
Michael Wilde18/04/2010 00:19:24
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Thanks for all your replys! I agree about supporting Myford, it was brilliant seeing the premesis on Thursday, it was different to what I was expecting. I thought I'd see massive production lines etc. In actual fact it was a bit like where I work! A normal workshop with a few bits racked up at the machines ready for attention. also seeing all the new machines (drool) was excellent, the craftsmen on hand to show techniques and answer questions was superb. I've promised myself a new Myford one day, but for now I'll be very happy with my old ML7 I've just bought. I'm not going to go out and buy a rdg straight away, I'm going to sleep on it a bit, by that time I might have saved up sufficient to buy the Dickson!
JasonB18/04/2010 07:41:12
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Rob, Rotagrip do Dickson posts & holders, just make sure you are sitting down before looking
 
Jason
KWIL18/04/2010 09:19:31
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Toolmex have gone.  Rotagrip do Bison
JasonB18/04/2010 09:27:13
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1 articles		Bison ones on rotagrip site
JasonB18/04/2010 09:27:56
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1 articles		Bison ones on Rotagrip site, could not get them from the index
John Stevenson18/04/2010 12:07:30
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I hate the Dickson holders and their variants. I have a large one T2 or T3 on the TOS lathe and with all the sticky up bits i spend more time unravelling turnings off it that a little.
 
My smaller lathes have home made toolposts and holders on them and other than a small hight screw all the other screws are allen grub screws and hidden in the holder, result is nowhere for the turning to get wrapped up.
 
John S.
John Stevenson18/04/2010 12:07:44
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I hate the Dickson holders and their variants. I have a large one T2 or T3 on the TOS lathe and with all the sticky up bits i spend more time unravelling turnings off it that a little.
 
My smaller lathes have home made toolposts and holders on them and other than a small hight screw all the other screws are allen grub screws and hidden in the holder, result is nowhere for the turning to get wrapped up.
 
John S.
Chris Trice19/04/2010 00:55:54
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I must confess, I love mine. I've got a genuine one with a selection of tools on my Super 7 and a cheaper clone set from Chronos which went on my ML10. The ones I have are fully interchangeable between kits and the only real giveaway is the unimportant back face of the cheaper toolholders is a rougher finish than the Dickson ones. My only beef with a couple of the cheaper ones, that is easily fixed, is the allen screw which locks the height adjuster in place isn't long enough or the thread it engages with doesn't go all the way through the knurled adjuster and it tightens up before doing the job it's intended to do. Considering the set was at least half the price of the Dickson item, and as much as I love and admire Myford tooling, I'm not completely immune to 'market forces' and so far the cheaper ones have proved fine.

Edited By Chris Trice on 19/04/2010 00:56:53

KWIL19/04/2010 08:59:52
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The other giveaway is that genuine ones have an engraved "W" on the backface.
Rob Manley19/04/2010 16:42:10
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Ouch, i see what you mean.  I think i remember buying a bison set with toolpost and three holders for that amount!  But, you cant argue with the quality of them - they are superb.  Still, at least i didnt buy a multifix system - over £200 for a toolpost! 
-firmly sat down. 
David Clark 119/04/2010 17:51:52
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Hi There
I have both, a cheap set and the Myford set.
The cheap set were covered in knocks and dents.
I used a file on them to deburr them all over.
I have since bought a couple of Myford sets and am very pleased with them,.
I got back from the Myford show yesterday having purchased another 4 tool holders.
The cheap set will be on EBay soon.
 
Myford have recently released a back toolholder that takes a standard inserted tip blade.
They are not cheap, and neither is the blade but the operator was demonstrating parting off with one of these, 1in. bar at 1000 revs or so.
 
With the Myford rear tool block, it only has one dovetail for tools. I think it is better to get a spare twin dovetail block to fit at the back.
That way, you can use the side for parting and the front face for chamfering or boring.
 
regards David
 
 
 

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