What is the best option.
Cedric Blaver | 16/01/2023 09:21:17 |
20 forum posts 5 photos | My garage is brick and attached to the side of the house. One car size with a concrete floor. Please advise as to what may be the best option to heat ones home garage. What would be the cheapest solution. Many thanks for the help. |
noel shelley | 16/01/2023 09:35:26 |
2308 forum posts 33 photos | My opinion is biased as I live in the country but a wood burner. Pallets are a good source of fuel. It is quite easy to make one if you have access to welding equipment.. Noel. |
lee webster | 16/01/2023 09:39:32 |
383 forum posts 71 photos | Hi Cedric, The first thing I would do is insulate the walls. This can either be a rigid foam board glued to the wall with a few screws to hold it in place, or build a timber framework to create an internal wall with insulation, more choice with the method, and finish it of with a board. You have a choice of boards depending on how tough you need the walls to be. Plasterboard, chipboard or stirling board would do the job. You will probably have to include a vapour membrane in the constructio. Then you can think about heat. Lee |
lee webster | 16/01/2023 09:40:01 |
383 forum posts 71 photos | Hi Cedric, I seem to have posted this twice. Now deleted. Lee Edited By lee webster on 16/01/2023 09:41:23 |
Hopper | 16/01/2023 09:54:44 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by lee webster on 16/01/2023 09:39:32:
Hi Cedric, The first thing I would do is insulate the walls. This can either be a rigid foam board glued to the wall with a few screws to hold it in place, or build a timber framework to create an internal wall with insulation, more choice with the method, and finish it of with a board. You have a choice of boards depending on how tough you need the walls to be. Plasterboard, chipboard or stirling board would do the job. You will probably have to include a vapour membrane in the constructio. Then you can think about heat. Lee ^^^^ This. The better you can insulate it, the easier and cheaper it is to heat. Insulating the ceiling is important too. And some kind of floor covering or even a false floor with insulation between it and the cold concrete is good too. And put your main work area up against the wall that adjoins the house. That will be the warmest part of the workshop. For your climate in the UK you will need to look at humidity/moisture control too. Not just to stop corrosion of machines and tools etc but if you can knock the relative humidity down to 50 per cent or so, it takes less heat to achieve a comfortable temperature. Too much humidity and you will need to heat the shop to a higher temperature to feel comfortable. (Likewise, too little humidity and the perspiration drying off your skin will make you feel colder and so again more heat will be needed.) It is worth installing a wall thermometer with relative humidity gauge to monitor it. And dehumidifiers seem to be a thing in some UK workshops from what I see on the forum. |
Clive India | 16/01/2023 09:56:36 |
![]() 277 forum posts | I think I would start by... It all boils down to what you want to use it for. |
Bazyle | 16/01/2023 10:59:31 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | The first thing to do is to read all the posts on this forum for the last 3 months, We have covered this topic every week, over and over again. You can do this in the warm of your house thus saving 3 days of heating in the garage. |
Circlip | 16/01/2023 11:07:51 |
1723 forum posts | Shouldn't need to warn but be careful if you're going down the log burner trail. DON'T burn treated wood. Regards Ian. |
Clive India | 16/01/2023 11:08:00 |
![]() 277 forum posts | Posted by Bazyle on 16/01/2023 10:59:31:
The first thing to do is to read all the posts on this forum for the last 3 months, We have covered this topic every week, over and over again. You can do this in the warm of your house thus saving 3 days of heating in the garage. Yes, nice one |
Samsaranda | 16/01/2023 11:11:34 |
![]() 1688 forum posts 16 photos | First step is to insulate all surfaces as best you can, then as the garage is attached to the house my preferred option would be to install a radiator off the house system and control its output with a thermostatic valve. It will put up your heating bills but whatever heat source you use will cost money to run and using the house system is far more convenient. When I still lived at home in the early 60’s my Dad installed gas fired central heating in our house and as the garage was attached to the house he had a rad installed there. My passion at that time was canoeing and I built my own canoe one winter and I was so glad that the garage was heated whilst I was busy building. Dave W |
mgnbuk | 16/01/2023 11:31:44 |
1394 forum posts 103 photos | It is quite easy to make one if you have access to welding equipment.. But not legal. New wood burner installations are required to be "EcoDesign compliant" & EcoDesign stoves are not inexpensive. Heat treated pallet wood is probably OK, but not chemically treated wood. Even the heat treated stuff is probably not legal, as solid fuels are supposed to be "Ready to Burn" certified now. Having said that, my vehicle diesel air heater is probably of dubious legality - though red diesel is an approved heating fuel. As your gagrage is attached to the house, i would go with "insulate, insulate some more & add a radiator off the house CH" - assuming that you have a wet CH system in the house. Nigel B.
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J Hancock | 16/01/2023 11:58:43 |
869 forum posts | Sharp changes of temperature in an outside building like that will create condensation . A sure way to turn steel to rust. |
Stuart Smith 5 | 16/01/2023 12:02:03 |
349 forum posts 61 photos | If it is open to the roof, install a plasterboard ceiling with insulation. For the floor, I have bought some interlocking rubber mats from Halfords - they are about 10mm thick. They provide some insulation and are more comfortable than standing on bare concrete. If you can, install a radiator fed from the house CH system. I have just done this and fitted a motorised radiator thermostat to it. I can control the temperature using an app on my phone so it only needs to be on when I want it and can be set to heat up in advance of going to the workshop. I have them on all the radiators ( it is the ‘Wiser home’ system from Schneider). For this particular system you need to replace your traditional CH timer with the Wiser one, but you can buy other brands that are free standing. Stuart
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Hopper | 16/01/2023 12:03:55 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by J Hancock on 16/01/2023 11:58:43:
Sharp changes of temperature in an outside building like that will create condensation . A sure way to turn steel to rust. Hence the need for humidity control as well as just heating. |
jaCK Hobson | 16/01/2023 12:18:15 |
383 forum posts 101 photos | I did a thorough job insulating doors, walls, ceiling. I didn't do the concrete floor yet but place is very cozy without it so I would say it isn't essential. A self closing door is a good idea but at least a door that slams shut with draught exclusion. I use a mini fan heater to take the edge off quickly, and an infrared to make me feel warm while waiting. It is a detatched double garage - half an hour of heat lasts all day for a weekend like we just had. I also have a FLIR infrared camera to identify weak spots in insulation. Very useful once or twice a year (also good for electicals and finding the next thing that might let the smoke out.) Edited By jaCK Hobson on 16/01/2023 12:19:51 |
Howard Lewis | 16/01/2023 12:21:43 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | As everyone says, INSULATE , walls. ceiling, floor, door, (Prevents heat loss and reduces the volume to be heated ) A well insulated shop will warm up faster, and use less energy to maintain the temperature. If it runs frequently enough, pipe another radiator from the central heating, if you have it. Next best,an electric fan heater. Convectors tend to be slow, Radiants may warm you, but not the machine so well, so rusting may still occur. The objective is to keep the air temperature above the dew point. Combustion heaters (:Liquid or solid fuelled ) produce water vapour, so the exhaust must be fed to the outside. Plus any leaks risk gassing you with carbon monoxide. AND they must have ventilation for the combustion air to come in. A certain amount of ventilation is important. You exhale water vapour, you perspire, so leave a small vent at ground level. (under the Up and Over door? ) for the moist air to escape.
Howard |
SillyOldDuffer | 16/01/2023 12:31:53 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | How good is the existing insulation? My garage/workshop is part of the house, with bedroom over. This means it has a double cavity wall which has been foam insulated inside, and the floor is damp-proofed. Unless it's very cold, I don't heat at all. Instead, heavy coat until the lights take the chill off. Brightly lit, 6x fluorescent tubes. Wouldn't work in a thin-skinned lean-to type garage sat on a concrete pad, or a simple shed. These are diabolically poor. My advice, don't start by heating. Minor reason is the cost, because lots of energy is wasted because most of the heat escapes uselessly. But the major reason is repeatedly heating and cooling a workshop is the very best way quickly rusting tools! Cycling the air temperature causes condensation. Instead, start by insulating as much as possible, plus everything you can think of to exclude damp. Then heat as necessary for comfort. Choices:
Dave |
HOWARDT | 16/01/2023 13:09:54 |
1081 forum posts 39 photos | My integral single car garage protrudes half from the house. The part built out from the house has a uninsulated roof with cement board on the inside. The up and over door I covered with foil insulation and this made enough difference that I manage without further insulation. Some heat does come from the wall mounted combi boiler which is in the garage but not much as it is normally off while I am in there. If I was staying I would insulate the single brick external wall which is beyond the house and add insulation to the roof. Additional heat in the form of a small electric heater would be enough for occasional use. |
not done it yet | 16/01/2023 13:32:36 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | For the last couple of weeks, my well-insulated and draught-free workshop has been mostly heated by the dehumidifier (375W) which has been run on a timer, for one hour during the night, on E7 power. The temperature had dropped below 10 Celsius this last couple of days, so the diesel air heater was fired up for an hour yesterday evening. Not yet checked the temperature today. The heater had been used for a few minutes on a couple of occasions this year, so far, to warm it sufficiently while working in there. Apart from the temperature being adequate, the humidity has been around 70%, or less, during this time. Cost, so far this year, is about £1.30 for leccy and less than a litre of diesel. Diesel usage was rather more during the cold spell, but not excessive, IMO. |
duncan webster | 16/01/2023 14:39:43 |
5307 forum posts 83 photos | I have a single skin brick garage, but I've insulated it with 3" polystyrene on the walls and 8" fibre glass above the ceiling. Heat then provided by 2 kW balanced flue gas heater. Run on full for 15 minutes then turned right down gets the place nice and warm. Having the place too cold means I keep dropping fiddly little things, so not worth it. The gas heater is designed for domestic use, came surplus from a domestic rethink. Floor is concrete flags with asphalt to keep the damp down, then 1"polystyrene topped with flooring grade chipboard. Had to cut holes and provide hard points for the heavy machines. Edited By duncan webster on 16/01/2023 14:41:32 Edited By duncan webster on 16/01/2023 14:41:55 |
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