William Chitham | 08/10/2020 11:44:28 |
156 forum posts 56 photos | A pal of mine has asked me if I could help out with a project that involves drilling and tapping 500-600 M4 blind holes approx 5mm deep in stainless steel. Prices seem to range from around cheapies at around £100 (eg Soba from Chronos) mid range at £250-£350 (eg Indexa at Zoro) and £600+ for a Tapmatic. My inclination is towards the mid range but I've no experience of using such a thing so any advice about what to look for would be much appreciated. William. |
Tony Pratt 1 | 08/10/2020 12:22:19 |
2319 forum posts 13 photos | I've only used Tapmatic heads but my preference would also be Indexa for the only reason being that they look the 'business' or you could ask Chronos to guarantee the Soba heads would be ok in SS? Tony |
Clive Foster | 08/10/2020 13:04:05 |
3630 forum posts 128 photos | William On blind holes, especially ones that small you need a head with a well behaved and sensitive clutch so that tapping goes to depth each time and stops before the tap hits the end of the hole. Any deficiencies in the clutch will leave you with either a goodly proportion of incompletely threaded holes, a pile of broken taps or both. Asking a lot of a lower end one I think. If doing one or two its easy to adjust the pull to cope with inconsistant clutch action. With 500 it needs to be "pull and go, lift and reverse" every time the same. I have a set of Pollard tapping heads bought used via the usual sources which are excellent. When used in conjunction with a drill travel stop tapping depth is very repeatable with the drive clutches disengaging cleanly ready to reverse when the drill feed handle is lifted. They are also sensitive enough to feel when a tap is becoming blunt as more pressure is needed to keep the drive going. Tapping also stops a little earlier with a blunted tap as it can't pull as far away from the clutch before drive is lost. Absolutelly don't skimp on taps, the good ones are expensive for a reason, and lubrication. I broke a few taps before I got the technique nailed down. Including an M12 fine in a monumental fit of inattention! Only one to do so I didn't set the drill stop. Ooops, bad move. Just because I'd gotten away with it before ... Clive |
David George 1 | 08/10/2020 13:15:10 |
![]() 2110 forum posts 565 photos | Tapmatic for me and a quality spiral point tap with Kutamatic tapping liquid. David |
Steviegtr | 08/10/2020 13:19:06 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | Hi William. I managed to get myself a SPV , which i believe was an expensive item. Picked up 2nd hand at auction for £30. Had to make some collets for different taps ,. Not sure of the cheaper versions but this one has a full adjustable torque setup. I have not seen the cheaper ones in operation but have seen the better ones being demonstrated on youtube. Tapmatic etc. Pic of mine below. Hope you find the right one. Steve. |
Martin Connelly | 08/10/2020 13:32:21 |
![]() 2549 forum posts 235 photos | All the automatic tapping heads I have seen take up a lot of headroom. I don't suppose CNC thread milling is an option for you but for tough materials like stainless steel and blind holes is is a good choice, especially when there are so many to do. |
Emgee | 08/10/2020 13:41:30 |
2610 forum posts 312 photos | If you go with Tapmatic it seems the best head for your use will be the 30TC/TD model that has a clutch and tapping depth stop adjustment. Used models are available on many auction sites to reduce the cost but beware of thrashed to near death tooling. You don't mention the grade of stainless you will be drilling and tapping, some grades are easier to work with which may influence your choice of drills, taps and tapping head.
Emgee
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Steviegtr | 08/10/2020 13:53:51 |
![]() 2668 forum posts 352 photos | There is a used Tapmatic on feabay now. Dare not give item No as i may get shot at dawn for it. Search tapping head. Steve. |
Clive Foster | 08/10/2020 16:32:24 |
3630 forum posts 128 photos | Having read the instructions the Tapmatic seems too clever by half to me with its clutch torque adjustment and, apparently considerable self feed after the stop depth. My Pollard heads have simple double cone clutches, one forward & one reverse. Takes about 1 mm, often less, for the tap to pull the feed clutch out of engagement and stop. No springs, no clutch torque adjustment or other complications. Torque control is just down to the operator not pulling the drill handle so hard that the clutch engagement is sufficient to transmit enough power to break a temporarily stuck tap. As David says quality taps and a good lubricant makes all the difference. I'd trust a used Pollard far more than a used Tapmatic simply because there is so little to go wrong. So long as the clutches grip adequately and the reset spring that switches the thing back to forward drive is still strong a Pollard pretty much has to work unless te bearings are totally, and obviously, trashed. A Tapmatic is something you pretty much have to buy new to ensure fully functional quality. Unless you know its history. Clive |
John MC | 08/10/2020 16:47:03 |
![]() 464 forum posts 72 photos | I have a "Vertex" 3 -12mm tapping attachment bought new some 25 years ago. I've used it right across the range and found it to be good. Tap wobbles a bit but doesn't seem to matter! It replaced an "Archer" head of similar capacity that was worn out. I have found vertex equipment good, I would suggest its middle quality equipment from the far east. With any tapping head I think its vital to use a good quality tap. John
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William Chitham | 08/10/2020 16:55:12 |
156 forum posts 56 photos | Thanks all, if the job is a goer time pressure will probably dictate a new midrange one - spoke to a nice man at Rotagrip who stock a Vertex tapmatic style and was helpful on taps as well. If the job falls through I'll keep a lookout for a used bargain, do like the sound of the Pollard. William. |
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