AJW | 21/11/2018 22:40:43 |
388 forum posts 137 photos | I need to made the valves for my gas engine. 'High tensile steel' is specified and I have found some 'EN24T' specified by the supplier as high tensile but I would like to know if it would turn ok? Alan |
vintage engineer | 21/11/2018 23:14:13 |
293 forum posts 1 photos | It machines fine with tip tools but I'm not sure if it is suitable for exhaust valves. |
Marcus Bowman | 21/11/2018 23:17:09 |
196 forum posts 2 photos | EN24T turns to a nice finish, using conventional tooling. I use tipped tools. The T stands for 'tempered'. So this is a relatively strong steel which can be hardened if necessary. I have made some parts which are subject to considerable stress in a full size hydraulic tube expander, from EN24T. They were hardened afterwards (not by me) and have outlasted the original parts. Marcus |
AJW | 21/11/2018 23:23:53 |
388 forum posts 137 photos | Thanks, the high tensile steel was specified by Edgar T Westbury's for his Centaur engine, both inlet and exhaust, unfortunately no grade was specified! Sounds like you have found it turnable. Alan |
John McNamara | 22/11/2018 03:09:52 |
1377 forum posts 133 photos | Hi
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JasonB | 22/11/2018 07:12:35 |
25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | All my open crank engines and 4-stroke aero engines have 303 stainless valves and that is what tends to be specified on less ancient engine plans. Easy to turn and easy to get hold of. |
Mark Rand | 22/11/2018 17:14:26 |
1505 forum posts 56 photos | [PEDANT MODE] The T in EN24T, EN16T etc. doesn't stand for 'tempered' it stands for the specific temper condition. There are quite a number of different tempers available, but you'll normally only manage to get the other conditions if you are ordering quite a few tons of the steel at a time. In the case of EN24T, it works out at about 34hRC. It actually machines better than when in the fully annealed condition. which is rather grabby and tear prone. [/PEDANT MODE] |
Neil Wyatt | 22/11/2018 17:51:53 |
19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | The T actually indicates the mechanical properties, specifically the range of tensile strengths the steel must fall in. T is 850 - 100 MPa. Oddly the letters seem to be consistently applied to both EN numbered steels and BS 970 numbered steels.
EN24T is actually two designation systems behind the curve, MEW editor Harold Hall was fastidious about referring to 230M07 instead of EN1a, but actually since 1991 he should have been quoting BS En 11SMn30. All my local stockholders sell EN1a... Neil |
JasonB | 22/11/2018 18:14:54 |
25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | I think you want another 0 one the end of that Neil. 850-1000 |
David Jupp | 22/11/2018 18:21:48 |
978 forum posts 26 photos | Neil, the first BS970 used the (old, British) EN numbers, only in early 1970's versions of BS970 were the 'new' designations brought in. So not really a surprise that the 'condition' letters were used across issues. |
JohnF | 22/11/2018 20:38:57 |
1243 forum posts 202 photos | Many years ago a customer of mine who worked at an Unbrako manufacturing plant brought me a quantity of bar ends from auto screw making machines 4"-5" long, he told me they were EN24. The material turned beautifully and was indeed extremely tough when heat treated as you would EN24 from the old ESC spec book. It would be interesting if anyone can confirm the material spec for Unbrako screws & bolts ? Any Thoughts ?
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Windy | 22/11/2018 20:52:22 |
910 forum posts 197 photos | What about using a full size vale and machining to the size you require. My flash steamer valve is a Rover K series exhaust valve and can machine with sharp HSS tools. Make sure its valve with a non welded head also check material some pattern valves are not that good. En 21-4N is good genuine old 650 Triumph exhaust valves were made of that cheaper types would tulip or worse. |
AJW | 22/11/2018 21:18:58 |
388 forum posts 137 photos | Thanks for all the info! I like the idea of using an existing component, I know I have one old exhaust valve in the could be useful box Alan |
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