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Tim Stevens15/04/2017 15:56:08
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I need to find an up-to-date book on adhesives in engineering. It needs to explain the various options in current use, and cover some past solvents and materials, explain not only what will stick what, but the effects of plasticisers, weather, etc, and what dissolves what.

Can anyone suggest a useful resource covering this topic sensibly - and from our point of view, not just industry and mass production?

Thanks

Tim

Edited By Tim Stevens on 15/04/2017 15:58:01

JasonB15/04/2017 16:05:36
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No 21 in the workshop practice series may have somnething though I have not looked at it.

Neil Wyatt15/04/2017 17:17:55
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I wish someone truly knowledgeable about this subject would write me a short series for MEW.


Neil

Tim Stevens15/04/2017 17:19:21
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The Tee website gives no detail about content or date written - is it really up to date? I ask because many such books do have a rather old-fashioned content. Or do I just have to splash out and hope?

Cheers, Tim

Phil Whitley15/04/2017 21:01:39
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Tim, you could always write one!, Have you tried Loctite, or 3M, although they tend to do tech bulletins on specific products, you may find they (especially 3M) do a book, or can at least recommend one. I think you may have found a gap in the market.

Phil

Jeff Dayman15/04/2017 21:40:59
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http://na.henkel-adhesives.com/industrial/adhesive-industrial-14972.htm

Chris Evans 615/04/2017 21:41:48
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I once went to an Institute of motor Industry (IMI) talk by Loctite and came away with several booklets and charts. Maybe a letter or e-mail to Loctite would secure you a similar package which may be of help.

Michael Gilligan15/04/2017 23:50:07
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Posted by Tim Stevens on 15/04/2017 15:56:08:

I need to find an up-to-date book on adhesives in engineering. It needs to explain the various options in current use, and cover some past solvents and materials, explain not only what will stick what, but the effects of plasticisers, weather, etc, and what dissolves what.

Can anyone suggest a useful resource covering this topic sensibly - and from our point of view, not just industry and mass production?

Thanks

Tim

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Tim,

This little book is the best [on the subject] that I know of ... but it dates back to 1984, and therefore is not as 'current' as you might wish: **LINK**

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Adhesives_in_Engineering_Design.html?id=nIvqCAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y&hl=en

I got my copy as the 'course notes' when Permabond were doing seminars.

... It even came with 'adhesive selector' software on floppy disk,

MichaelG.

steamdave16/04/2017 11:33:53
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Loctite used to give away - maybe still do - the Worldwide Design Handbook. Mine is 2nd Edition English from 1998.

Dave
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ega16/04/2017 16:50:43
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No 21 WPS is from 1991.

I think that the author, David Lammas, also wrote an article in MEW.

PS There is some information on the Arc website.

Edited By ega on 16/04/2017 16:52:13

Bob Gitsham18/09/2017 13:58:23
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Posted by Tim Stevens on 15/04/2017 17:19:21:

The Tee website gives no detail about content or date written - is it really up to date? I ask because many such books do have a rather old-fashioned content. Or do I just have to splash out and hope?

Cheers, Tim

G'day Tim, I think that most information will be a bit dated by the time it gets into print. I would suggest that you write to the major brand names asking for info. I'm sure most of them will be only too happy to send it to you. For starters i'd Try ( not in nay particular order.)
Loctite, Devcon, JB Weld, Sellys, plus numerous others, some may travel under different names in different countries. In my experience as a Marine Engineer (retired) it is very much a horses for courses situation. To give any advice we need to know what it is you want to stick , and what are the operating parameters

David Standing 118/09/2017 14:19:46
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Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago? surprise

MW18/09/2017 15:30:18
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They should have a degree in this subject. Master of the adhesives.
Michael Gilligan18/09/2017 16:00:07
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Posted by David Standing 1 on 18/09/2017 14:19:46:

Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago? surprise

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Does that matter, David ?

Tim has never given any 'closure' ... so presumably he has not yet found what he was seeking.

MichaelG.

Tim Stevens18/09/2017 18:00:09
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Indeed, this is the case. Then, I wanted to stick an aluminium sheet to a marine ply panel. Last week it was to stick ABS letters to a plastic-coated plate. Next week it will be some other combination, I'm sure. I am particularly keen to find adhesives which are not affected by plasticiser migration, which is especially common with PVC stuff (including vehicle wiring).

And it does seem that the only serious tomes are intended for serious professionals and cost serious three-figure money.

Thanks, everyone, for trying to help.

Regards, Tim

Vic18/09/2017 18:51:23
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Bit brief but may be of interest.

**LINK**

Vic18/09/2017 18:52:55
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And this.

**LINK**

Muzzer18/09/2017 19:56:39
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Sika do some marvellous adhesives. You can forget excrement and blankets if you use something like Sikaflex. There are quite a few products but I think they are mostly polyurethane based. Don't seem too expensive and you can get some of them at builders merchants, Screwfix etc.

Something like Sikaflex 252 would do what Tim wants.

Murray

David Standing 118/09/2017 19:58:58
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/09/2017 16:00:07:
Posted by David Standing 1 on 18/09/2017 14:19:46:

Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago? surprise

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Does that matter, David ?

Tim has never given any 'closure' ... so presumably he has not yet found what he was seeking.

MichaelG.

Michael

Ah, my background being troubleshooting and problem solving assumes a solution would have been found a long time ago.

And, there has been a torrent of ancient threads resurrected of late - although, I grant you, five months is nothing compared to five years or more for some of the others wink 2

Bob Gitsham19/09/2017 08:00:43
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Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/09/2017 16:00:07:
Posted by David Standing 1 on 18/09/2017 14:19:46:

Bob

Have you realised the thread you are replying to was from five months ago? surprise

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Does that matter, David ?

Tim has never given any 'closure' ... so presumably he has not yet found what he was seeking.

MichaelG.

Thanks Michael, I was wondering how I should reply to his pointless remark.

In fact the whole thread has since come alive.

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