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daveb10/09/2016 18:13:37
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I use a Bridgeport M head which has a captive drawbar. It's a nuisance to have to unscrew the drawbar locking ring to use a drill chuck (mine all have tangs). I want to buy a drill arbor to fit the drawbar. Arc Eurotrade only have 10mm. HBM list threaded arbors but state the thread as being 3/8 UNF. All my collets and other tooling are either 3/8 BSW or 3/8 UNC, for all practical purposes, they are interchangeable. How many different threads do MT2 arbors have?

Dave

Frances IoM10/09/2016 18:32:50
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my metric MT2 tooling + those for ER collets etc is M10 - most of the imperial tooling is 3/8th tho I also seem to have acquired a M10 socket for an imperial tool.

I'd have thought UNF would be too fine a thread for that use
daveb10/09/2016 18:41:02
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Thanks Francis IoM.Yes, they can be bad enough to get out with a coarse thread.

Dave

John Stevenson10/09/2016 18:47:33
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That's the problem with standards.

There are so many standard standard's
Bazyle10/09/2016 20:45:57
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Worth giving them a call to confirm it is UNF and not UNC. Could easily have been typed by some web designer who doesn't know the significance.

Andrew Johnston10/09/2016 20:58:47
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It might be UNF, after the standard drawbar thread for R8 tooling is 7/16" UNF.

Andrew

Frances IoM10/09/2016 21:00:02
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are BSW + UNC interchangeable - different thread shape - I acquired a home built MT2 taper which had a 3/8th UNC thread but my 3/8 BSW drawbar would not fit (at least it resisted enough for me not to force it)
John Stevenson10/09/2016 21:02:08
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Usually on commercial thread the tolerances on rolled threads are enough that each will go into the other.

Might cause a few heart attacks with the flat earth and welded to armchair brigade but that's the truth, like it or not.

daveb10/09/2016 21:05:16
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Posted by Frances IoM on 10/09/2016 21:00:02:
are BSW + UNC interchangeable - different thread shape - I acquired a home built MT2 taper which had a 3/8th UNC thread but my 3/8 BSW drawbar would not fit (at least it resisted enough for me not to force it)
No problem, stick a 3/8 BSW tap down it. Dave

MW10/09/2016 21:07:57
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Posted by John Stevenson on 10/09/2016 21:02:08:

Might cause a few heart attacks with the flat earth and welded to armchair brigade but that's the truth, like it or not.

Or even the welded earth and flat armchair brigadiers.

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thaiguzzi11/09/2016 05:00:48
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In the real world who cares about 5 degrees of thread angle.

3/16" to 3/8" BSW and UNC could and should screw into one another. I often tap UNC and fit a BSW fastener and vice versa. 7/16" up it all changes TPI wise. Unfortunately.

Thor 🇳🇴11/09/2016 06:03:18
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Hi Dave,

If I understand your first post correctly, you want a MT 2 drill chuck arbor with the shank threaded 3/8" W. Warco lists a MT2 drill chuck which is threaded 3/8W, and with B16 chuck taper, may be that could be of use? I don't know if that's the drill chuck taper you need though.

Thor

Martin Connelly11/09/2016 09:19:54
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The shanks on drill arbors are usually soft down the core. Get one with a tang, cut the tang off and drill and tap to suit your needs.

Martin

MW11/09/2016 09:25:30
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Posted by Martin Connelly on 11/09/2016 09:19:54:

The shanks on drill arbors are usually soft down the core. Get one with a tang, cut the tang off and drill and tap to suit your needs.

Martin

I wouldn't like to garantee that, I would go to the trouble to anneal twice rather than chew my tools up.

Michael W

Ian S C11/09/2016 10:41:41
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The probable resonfor using 3/8" UNF might be that hand drills like Black and Decker use UNF on their drill chucks and other attachments.

Ian S C

duncan webster11/09/2016 10:54:15
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Posted by Michael Walters on 11/09/2016 09:25:30:
Posted by Martin Connelly on 11/09/2016 09:19:54:

The shanks on drill arbors are usually soft down the core. Get one with a tang, cut the tang off and drill and tap to suit your needs.

Martin

I wouldn't like to garantee that, I would go to the trouble to anneal twice rather than chew my tools up.

Michael W

been there done that, anyone want a 3/8 BSW tap with the corners chipped off. Definately anneal

Ajohnw11/09/2016 10:55:11
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Cromwell sell an R8 arbour with a JT taper on the end and it's also possible to buy R8 drill chucks. Cromwell are a touch pricey but I hear cheaper if some one has an account but other places probably do them.

Assuming all of your other stuff is R8.

I'd guess the R8 drill chucks can be a touch more manly then 2 morse.

John

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Edited By Ajohnw on 11/09/2016 10:55:52

Edited By Ajohnw on 11/09/2016 10:56:59

Andrew Johnston11/09/2016 10:55:28
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Posted by thaiguzzi on 11/09/2016 05:00:48:

In the real world who cares about 5 degrees of thread angle.

Probably the sort of people who don't use a mole wrench on everything because it saves having all those different sizes of spanner.

Andrew

John Stevenson11/09/2016 11:01:01
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Get a commercial 55 degrees rolled thread bolt and put it up on a shadow graph with a 60 degree one.

You will be pleasantly surprised to find out that neither are 55 or 60
daveb11/09/2016 17:42:33
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Thanks Thor, I will order one. Thanks also for the input of everyone who replied. I understand the difference between the thread forms but in this case, the fit is good enough for me.
Dave

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