Thread confusion.
daveb | 10/09/2016 18:13:37 |
631 forum posts 14 photos | I use a Bridgeport M head which has a captive drawbar. It's a nuisance to have to unscrew the drawbar locking ring to use a drill chuck (mine all have tangs). I want to buy a drill arbor to fit the drawbar. Arc Eurotrade only have 10mm. HBM list threaded arbors but state the thread as being 3/8 UNF. All my collets and other tooling are either 3/8 BSW or 3/8 UNC, for all practical purposes, they are interchangeable. How many different threads do MT2 arbors have? Dave |
Frances IoM | 10/09/2016 18:32:50 |
1395 forum posts 30 photos | my metric MT2 tooling + those for ER collets etc is M10 - most of the imperial tooling is 3/8th tho I also seem to have acquired a M10 socket for an imperial tool. I'd have thought UNF would be too fine a thread for that use |
daveb | 10/09/2016 18:41:02 |
631 forum posts 14 photos | Thanks Francis IoM.Yes, they can be bad enough to get out with a coarse thread. Dave |
John Stevenson | 10/09/2016 18:47:33 |
![]() 5068 forum posts 3 photos | That's the problem with standards. There are so many standard standard's |
Bazyle | 10/09/2016 20:45:57 |
![]() 6956 forum posts 229 photos | Worth giving them a call to confirm it is UNF and not UNC. Could easily have been typed by some web designer who doesn't know the significance. |
Andrew Johnston | 10/09/2016 20:58:47 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | It might be UNF, after the standard drawbar thread for R8 tooling is 7/16" UNF. Andrew |
Frances IoM | 10/09/2016 21:00:02 |
1395 forum posts 30 photos | are BSW + UNC interchangeable - different thread shape - I acquired a home built MT2 taper which had a 3/8th UNC thread but my 3/8 BSW drawbar would not fit (at least it resisted enough for me not to force it) |
John Stevenson | 10/09/2016 21:02:08 |
![]() 5068 forum posts 3 photos | Usually on commercial thread the tolerances on rolled threads are enough that each will go into the other.
Might cause a few heart attacks with the flat earth and welded to armchair brigade but that's the truth, like it or not. |
daveb | 10/09/2016 21:05:16 |
631 forum posts 14 photos | Posted by Frances IoM on 10/09/2016 21:00:02:
are BSW + UNC interchangeable - different thread shape - I acquired a home built MT2 taper which had a 3/8th UNC thread but my 3/8 BSW drawbar would not fit (at least it resisted enough for me not to force it) No problem, stick a 3/8 BSW tap down it. Dave
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MW | 10/09/2016 21:07:57 |
![]() 2052 forum posts 56 photos | Posted by John Stevenson on 10/09/2016 21:02:08:
Might cause a few heart attacks with the flat earth and welded to armchair brigade but that's the truth, like it or not. Or even the welded earth and flat armchair brigadiers. Michael W |
thaiguzzi | 11/09/2016 05:00:48 |
![]() 704 forum posts 131 photos | In the real world who cares about 5 degrees of thread angle. 3/16" to 3/8" BSW and UNC could and should screw into one another. I often tap UNC and fit a BSW fastener and vice versa. 7/16" up it all changes TPI wise. Unfortunately. |
Thor 🇳🇴 | 11/09/2016 06:03:18 |
![]() 1766 forum posts 46 photos | Hi Dave, If I understand your first post correctly, you want a MT 2 drill chuck arbor with the shank threaded 3/8" W. Warco lists a MT2 drill chuck which is threaded 3/8W, and with B16 chuck taper, may be that could be of use? I don't know if that's the drill chuck taper you need though. Thor |
Martin Connelly | 11/09/2016 09:19:54 |
![]() 2549 forum posts 235 photos | The shanks on drill arbors are usually soft down the core. Get one with a tang, cut the tang off and drill and tap to suit your needs. Martin |
MW | 11/09/2016 09:25:30 |
![]() 2052 forum posts 56 photos | Posted by Martin Connelly on 11/09/2016 09:19:54:
The shanks on drill arbors are usually soft down the core. Get one with a tang, cut the tang off and drill and tap to suit your needs. Martin I wouldn't like to garantee that, I would go to the trouble to anneal twice rather than chew my tools up. Michael W |
Ian S C | 11/09/2016 10:41:41 |
![]() 7468 forum posts 230 photos | The probable resonfor using 3/8" UNF might be that hand drills like Black and Decker use UNF on their drill chucks and other attachments. Ian S C |
duncan webster | 11/09/2016 10:54:15 |
5307 forum posts 83 photos | Posted by Michael Walters on 11/09/2016 09:25:30:
Posted by Martin Connelly on 11/09/2016 09:19:54:
The shanks on drill arbors are usually soft down the core. Get one with a tang, cut the tang off and drill and tap to suit your needs. Martin I wouldn't like to garantee that, I would go to the trouble to anneal twice rather than chew my tools up. Michael W been there done that, anyone want a 3/8 BSW tap with the corners chipped off. Definately anneal |
Ajohnw | 11/09/2016 10:55:11 |
3631 forum posts 160 photos | Cromwell sell an R8 arbour with a JT taper on the end and it's also possible to buy R8 drill chucks. Cromwell are a touch pricey but I hear cheaper if some one has an account but other places probably do them.
I'd guess the R8 drill chucks can be a touch more manly then 2 morse. John - Edited By Ajohnw on 11/09/2016 10:55:52 Edited By Ajohnw on 11/09/2016 10:56:59 |
Andrew Johnston | 11/09/2016 10:55:28 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | Posted by thaiguzzi on 11/09/2016 05:00:48:
In the real world who cares about 5 degrees of thread angle. Probably the sort of people who don't use a mole wrench on everything because it saves having all those different sizes of spanner. Andrew |
John Stevenson | 11/09/2016 11:01:01 |
![]() 5068 forum posts 3 photos | Get a commercial 55 degrees rolled thread bolt and put it up on a shadow graph with a 60 degree one. You will be pleasantly surprised to find out that neither are 55 or 60 |
daveb | 11/09/2016 17:42:33 |
631 forum posts 14 photos | Thanks Thor, I will order one. Thanks also for the input of everyone who replied. I understand the difference between the thread forms but in this case, the fit is good enough for me.
Dave
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