Deltic007 | 29/12/2015 09:58:13 |
![]() 131 forum posts 12 photos | Got to make one of these for my next project,is normal soft solder Ok or am i better with white metal or lead?
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JasonB | 29/12/2015 10:01:54 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Use lead |
Deltic007 | 29/12/2015 10:03:36 |
![]() 131 forum posts 12 photos | Any reason Jason
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Martin Connelly | 29/12/2015 10:47:09 |
![]() 2549 forum posts 235 photos | Lead has a higher melting point than eutectic solder (60 40 mix) so may be a consideration. Martin |
mark costello 1 | 29/12/2015 14:21:39 |
![]() 800 forum posts 16 photos | If there is a specific temperature You need to protect against the alloy might have to be chosen a little more carefully. If the results are generic then the material could also be generic. |
JasonB | 29/12/2015 17:02:45 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Actually will depend a bit on the working pressure of the boiler, tin can be used and is prefered in the Australian code for boilers under 150psi with lead for ones above that. There is a possibility of the tin crystalizing so should be replaced anually. Pure lead is also easier to get hold of than tin. As in all cases boiler related talk with whoever will be testing the boiler. |
the artfull-codger | 29/12/2015 19:14:14 |
![]() 304 forum posts 28 photos | I allways remove my fusible plug each yr & it there's any sign of movement I re-metal it with either high melting point soft solder or melted sheet lead [4" foster steel boiler.] |
Bob Youldon | 29/12/2015 19:17:31 |
183 forum posts 20 photos | Hello, As someone has mentioned it is essential to use a material suitable for use at your desired working pressure plus a suitable additional additional excess. I would discuss the design and materials with your boiler inspector prior to making the thing. Should it be for a pressure vessel in the UK I'd suggest a look at the green book on the subject of fusible plugs. Ideally plugs should be removed for examination each year, primarily to ensure the waterside hasn't become encrusted with scale as this will act as an insulator and the fill material hasn't started to sink through the plug. I understand following the dropping of a plug the boiler should be subjected to hydraulic test. All in all, I consider them a damm nuisance in model use but that's only my opinion. Regards, Bob |
stan pearson 1 | 29/12/2015 22:26:15 |
![]() 135 forum posts 2 photos | I played safe and bought one from Steam Fittings as there is so much to consider when making one Stan |
fizzy | 30/12/2015 10:46:14 |
![]() 1860 forum posts 121 photos | Question - has anyone actually seen first hand a plug be used for its intended purpose i.e. melting to save boiler/explosion risk? |
the artfull-codger | 30/12/2015 15:10:06 |
![]() 304 forum posts 28 photos | Everyone who owns an engine should have seen one, I re-leaded one for a friend who had a full size aveling roller, as said previously I remove mine every yr & if there's a sign of a slight melt then I re-do it & I allways carry a spare to any rallys,[never needed it btw!!] made both mine out of a bronze chisel as used in the oilworks up here & I check the threads in the boss oif the boiler as well. |
Neil Wyatt | 30/12/2015 17:17:55 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Posted by fizzy on 30/12/2015 10:46:14:
Question - has anyone actually seen first hand a plug be used for its intended purpose i.e. melting to save boiler/explosion risk? The consequences of a dry top to the firebox are disastrous in full size. I have heard of the plug going on a low boiler but never seen it happen. Neil |
the artfull-codger | 30/12/2015 17:33:32 |
![]() 304 forum posts 28 photos | Fizzy,I misread your post I thought you meant has anyone seen a fusible plug!!, I've seen a couple go at rallys,when going down a steep hill is the worsed, as all the waters down the front end so it must be well full, uphills ok as it's all over the crown, don't know about damage I suppose it all depends how quick you can drop the fire & how long it's been exposed, one of the ones I saw just replaced the plug with a replacement perhaps one of the boiler inspectors on here might care to comment, adverts long ago for drivers used to say"plug droppers need nor apply" |
Mark P. | 30/12/2015 17:59:30 |
![]() 634 forum posts 9 photos | When I worked for a model engineering company we would generally replace the fusable plug on railway locos with a solid bronze plug. Mark P. |
Deltic007 | 30/12/2015 18:18:51 |
![]() 131 forum posts 12 photos | Why would you do that Mark?
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Mark P. | 30/12/2015 18:23:06 |
![]() 634 forum posts 9 photos | According to the boss"if one happens to fail you have to remove the boiler to replace it" those were his words! Personally I would fit one. Mark P. |
Deltic007 | 30/12/2015 18:24:52 |
![]() 131 forum posts 12 photos | The reason i originally posted was because i am building a New Zealand designed loco and it has one fitted.I will have to consult our boiler inspector to see if it is OK to omit it. |
Mark P. | 30/12/2015 18:33:25 |
![]() 634 forum posts 9 photos | I suppose that if you can access it easily through the firebox and grate, if you have a removable grate I would fit one. But see what the boiler inspector says. Mark P. |
Deltic007 | 30/12/2015 18:54:10 |
![]() 131 forum posts 12 photos | What material would you recommend? Drawing actually says soft solder.
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Mark P. | 30/12/2015 19:05:35 |
![]() 634 forum posts 9 photos | As Jason says use lead,or speak to the boiler inspector. Mark P. |
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