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John Stevenson16/12/2012 22:26:23
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Posted by alan smith 6 on 16/12/2012 21:56:02:

Unfortunately I don`t share this type of juvenile humour so haven`t got a laugh out of it so far. John, you aren`t a good advertisement for that engineering empire that you are supposed to have and I believe that you have "lost face" with your silly outbursts.

What advertisment ? I don't advertise, in fact like all the best whores I'm not even in the phone book.

All my work comes via recomend and it isn't an empire, in fact it's a converted stable block, didn't do Jesus any harm did it ?

As regards loosing face, you have your followers, I seem to have mine as this thread has shown.

You seem to have a lot of energy so why not channel this energy into something you are good at, like filing lumps of cast iron. As for your aspirations as a comedian on this thread, as they say "don`t give up the day job"

The plastic pig was a true classic and will go down in the hallowed annals of the model engineer together with such names as Martin Cleeve for posterity.

I agree with you, the plastic pig post was a classic but I'm not giving my day job up, don't worry.

As for your kind offer of not doing work for me, I already have a trusted team that do my work. Real craftsmen with good British machines and they don`t have a problem with discussing tolerances. In fact they work to them unlike you that can`t even give the tolerances that you are working to for the bore diameter in those Myford gears.

Alan

You seem to have a knack for either misreading or ignoring posts. I made an off of NOT doing work for you. However I do accept that you are not skilled enough that you need to have a trusted team to do your work for you.

As regards the tolerances on the gears, they are not your gears, you are not my customer so why do you think you have the audacity to DEMAND I tell you the tolerances ?

If you are that concerned then please ask Myfords what the tolerances are. That's the original Nottingham Myfords by the way. The reason I tell you to do this is that I went into Myfords before the sale was made public and bought shed loads of tooling which covered all the gear cutting tooling, all the taps for the leadscrew nuts plus a lot of other pieces, including the reamers for the gear blanks.

After reading a post on page 3 from Nigel Barraclough about how the gear spindles were made it prompted me to go and have a look thru the pile of gear shaper cutters and lo and behold two cutters from Tay Tools to do this external keyway.

Would you like to buy one so your team of skilled workers with their British machines could make some up to your tolerances and corner the market. You only need a Drummond gear shaper, a Fellows is no good, it;s not British.

dcosta16/12/2012 23:34:18
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Hello David Clark

Maybe it's because of my poor command of the English language but it seems to me I have recognized words I was taught to recognize as inappropriate language in one of the previous posts.
If I understood the words well, this type of uncivilized language makes me feel uncomfortable to participate and much worse if I, for whatever reason, have to disagree with John Stevenson.

If my understanding of English made me a prank, please Mr. Stevenson accept my apologies.

Maybe it's time for the moderator to intervene and at least remove the word to which I refer...

I remember that not long ago, in a similar situation, the moderator took some action...


Best regards
Dias Costa

John Stevenson16/12/2012 23:34:57
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Whatever.

If you are such a good design engineer you will be alble to give tolerances without having to stop to asking a juvenile.

Last time, I'm not telling you. Thank you for telling us what you do. I don't feel I need to tell anyone what I do, the people who matter, know.

Siddley16/12/2012 23:52:17
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Posted by alan smith 6 on 16/12/2012 23:11:58:

although I enjoyed the shop floor I could see that it is basically a dead end job especially now with those machining centres.

As someone who has spent 90% of his working life either spannering, machining or bashing metal about in one form or another I find that comment a little bit insulting. I bet you were a bag of laughs on the 'shop floor'

jason udall17/12/2012 01:10:03
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Early in my career.(computer systems design) I was told (and have good reason to believe )

"Show respect to the production staff..they are the ones that make us look good."

---these are an engineers last line of defence (along with the DO)...treat them badly and your scr*w ups get made into posters..threat them right and its" Err Didn't you mean....?".

Besides curtsey costs little or nothing.

BTW
"Jason Udall, you remember my tussle with a 1000+ poster on another thread, don`t become one of them."         ???

Alan just what was I at risk of doing?  ( asside from grammer or spelling )

 

But then I never was a particully social animal prefering Engineering.

Edited By jason udall on 17/12/2012 01:14:59

_Paul_17/12/2012 01:11:00
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Mr Smith wasn't he the nasty fellow in the Matrix films?

cheeky

jason udall17/12/2012 01:16:00
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Posted by _Paul_ on 17/12/2012 01:11:00:

Mr Smith wasn't he the nasty fellow in the Matrix films?

cheeky

The matrix (churchil)?

John Stevenson17/12/2012 01:27:45
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Posted by jason udall on 17/12/2012 01:10:03:

BTW
"Jason Udall, you remember my tussle with a 1000+ poster on another thread, don`t become one of them." ???

Alan just what was I at risk of doing? ( asside from grammer or spelling )

But then I never was a particully social animal prefering Engineering.

Edited By jason udall on 17/12/2012 01:14:59

Jason, you have to have less than a 1000 posts or more than 70 pictures or you don't fit in cheeky

jason udall17/12/2012 01:41:08
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John..I guessed that. but wished Alan to answer since only he would know for certain. Since I appear to have offended him in someway.

I do seem to detect an undercurrent.( like I said ..not big on social skills) and wish to understand futher.

In my post earlier I broadly agreed with the Original Post , maybe even agreement is unacceptable..I realy don't know

Regards

Jason

david kitchen 117/12/2012 08:22:17
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Haven't you lot got any work (pleasure) to do ?

RDG Seems to be doing well, must be doing something right. I like 'em.

Some of the best british machines come from Yorkshire.

Myfords are too small for much more than clocks.

The worst thing about my chinese lathe, apart from me, is the totally useless handbook.

DK

Lambton17/12/2012 08:52:47
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Quote from john Stevenson.

"The reason I tell you to do this is that I went into Myfords before the sale was made public and bought shed loads of tooling which covered all the gear cutting tooling, all the taps for the leadscrew nuts plus a lot of other pieces, including the reamers for the gear blanks."

John, a serious and sincere question; now you apparently have the wherewithal to make Myford gears will you be offering high standard British made items for sale?

Best regards

Lambton

David Clark 117/12/2012 08:58:04
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"When I did my apprenticeship although I enjoyed the shop floor I could see that it is basically a dead end job especially now with those machining centres. Do you do your own programming?"

Hi there

A £1,000 a week dead end job (on nights) and no programming required other than loading into the machine and calling sub programs.

If it was not for editing Model Engineers' Workshop, I would still be doing a dead end job and enjoying it.

regards David

David Clark 117/12/2012 08:59:33
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"Maybe it's time for the moderator to intervene and at least remove the word to which I refer...
I remember that not long ago, in a similar situation, the moderator took some action."

Hi Dias

What word in what post?

regards David

John Stevenson17/12/2012 09:30:14
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Posted by alan smith 6 on 16/12/2012 23:11:58:

John,

I have specialised in manufacturing spares for high end Vintage cars and quickly found that I was not up speed on the machining. For the last fifteen years I have used A precision engineering co. in Coventry to machine the parts with complete satisfaction. I would never dream of going to a juvenile such as you for this work.

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Alan,

Have you ever thought to ask the Coventry lot where they sub - con some their work to ?

You know bits that take time and paitence.

KWIL17/12/2012 09:35:32
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Well we really must be near the end of this thread.

So at last we find out that Alan Smith is such a good designer he cannot even carry out his own designs/work. Unfortunately we now have a lot of so called qualified designers and engineers who see themselves as little tin gods and have the nerve to say how good they are!.

I know of one MAJOR UK operation that is having great difficulty with people like Alan Smith, know it all, have all the qualifications and cannot see how bad they are at the job they aspire to, one of the troubles this organisation faces is that these so called designers can draw many things that are not possible to manufacture because they do not understand/appreciate the processes involved. Apparently at least this Alan Smith appreciates tolerances.

I have enjoyed this thread enormously, thank you everyone who has made a positive contribution, you can see the other side quite clearly as well.

Terryd17/12/2012 09:48:36
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Posted by John Stevenson on 16/12/2012 22:26:23:

As for your kind offer of not doing work for me, I already have a trusted team that do my work. Real craftsmen with good British machines and they don`t have a problem with discussing tolerances. In fact they work to them unlike you that can`t even give the tolerances that you are working to for the bore diameter in those Myford gears.

Alan

You seem to have a knack for either misreading or ignoring posts..........................

Hi John,

I just wonder why someone with a 'trusted team' using 'British machines' who work to high 'tolerances' is doing buying Myford gears from RDG in the first place crook.

As far as British machines are concerned I remember buying British cars, motorbikes, washing machines etc etc. Not always great stuff all leaving much to be desired. it was often about the same as the poor Chines/Indian stuff available now, remember the Morris Marina/Ital anyone?. Take off those heavily rose tinted spectacles occasionally when looking back with 'regret'.

I believe even Dyson doesn't have their stuff made in the UK any longer

Thanks for your earlier P.M. John, I'll reply properly as soon as I can.

Best regards

Terry

Terryd17/12/2012 09:56:10
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Surely one has to do very little real design to copy parts for 'high end vintage cars', a bit of drawing - yes, design - no. Does the original poster even understand what 'design' really involves?

Hi KWIL,

Why spoil the fun? wink 2

Terry

CHRIS WOODS 117/12/2012 10:50:53
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Whatever happened to that usually welcome intervention "This correspondence will now cease" ?

David Clark 117/12/2012 10:55:35
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Hi there

I thought everyone was enjoying this?

Perhaps a vote.

Who would like it to continue and who would like it to cease?

John and Alan, please refrain from voting.

regards David

Cornish Jack17/12/2012 10:55:39
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Remarkable that such heat (and not much light!) (JS's contributions excluded) could be generated when the culprit offers the MAJOR clue to his agenda - he spends considerable time in NORWAY - a country of exquisite, breathtaking scenery and the loveliest people, but famous, among other things, for ... TROLLS!!

Rgds

Bill

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