Mick Henshall | 17/05/2016 13:18:52 |
![]() 562 forum posts 34 photos | Moving on to issue 242 cover pic, where can I get on of those hovering lamps? Mick |
Neil Wyatt | 17/05/2016 13:54:32 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 17/05/2016 10:42:20:
On the subject of Aluminum, the spelling is consistent with Platinum and Tantalum. Does anyone know the origin of these variations? I recall reading that Faraday(?) originally spelled it 'aluminum' but changed his mind a few days later. I will now check and discover I am wrong. <edit> Yes, I am completely wrong, the true story is even more fantasical. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Different_endings
Neil Edited By Neil Wyatt on 17/05/2016 13:56:57 |
Roderick Jenkins | 17/05/2016 14:41:17 |
![]() 2376 forum posts 800 photos | Posted by Neil Wyatt on 17/05/2016 13:54:32:
I recall reading that Faraday(?) originally spelled it 'aluminum' but changed his mind a few days later. A good example of why the English language is like it is "Aluminium sounds more classical". The vagaries of English grammar were confused by grammarians insisting that it conforms to Latin models with which, not being a romance language, it struggles. Thus "was you" -perfectly acceptable in the 18th century became "were you" in 'correct' grammar. Similary, American spellings with their loss of redundant letters were largely the result of a campaign by Noah Webster to simplify spelling, only a few examples of which stuck. Bill Bryson's "Mother Tounge" reveals all in his eminently readable style. When I started secondary school in 1966 we had to be taught English grammar before they could start teaching us Latin. Our caretaker had been a Polish signwriter in a former life - just inside the main entrance was a beautifully painted sign he'd made "Queen Mary's Grammar School. Please drive SLOW". My niece, who is in year 6 (that's 10 going on 11) already knows all this stuff - there was a SATS test published in a newspaper last week that had me completely stumped. Rod |
jimmy b | 17/05/2016 14:56:40 |
![]() 857 forum posts 45 photos | Posted by Mick Henshall on 17/05/2016 13:18:52:
Moving on to issue 242 cover pic, where can I get on of those hovering lamps? Mick |
An Other | 17/05/2016 15:33:36 |
327 forum posts 1 photos | I don't give a damn about what I call the american (wrong) way of spelling aluminium - it has always been aluminium to me, and it always will be aluminium. (I can't afford to make thing out of platinum or tantalum) I'm more interested in what I can do with the stuff than how to spell it! |
Mike | 17/05/2016 15:57:03 |
![]() 713 forum posts 6 photos | To set matters straight, aluminium was discovered by Humphry Davy. I quote Bill Bryson in his book "A Short History of Nearly Everything": The confusion over aluminium/aluminum arose because of some uncharacteristic indecisiveness on Davy's part. When he first isolated the element in 1808 he called it alumium. For some reason he thought the better of that and changed it to aluminum four years later. Americans dutifully adopted the new term, but many British users disliked aluminium, pointing out that it disrupted the -ium pattern established by sodium, calcium and strontium, so they added a vowel and a syllable. So there you have it. and if you really want me to confuse you, I can start writing in the Doric, as spoken by the people (sorry, quines and loons) who are my neighbours! |
Roderick Jenkins | 17/05/2016 16:32:47 |
![]() 2376 forum posts 800 photos | Posted by Mike on 17/05/2016 15:57:03: ... but many British users disliked aluminium, pointing out that it disrupted the -ium pattern established by sodium, calcium and strontium, so they added a vowel and a syllable. Mike, I think your spell checker has got the better of you But I'm sure what you meant to write is correct. Bryson's good , isn't he! Rod Edited By Roderick Jenkins on 17/05/2016 16:33:12 |
Mike | 17/05/2016 17:03:40 |
![]() 713 forum posts 6 photos | Rod: You're quite right - I had a hell of a battle with the spell-checker, and it finally got the better of me! I don't know how to switch the ******* thing off! |
Howard Lewis | 17/05/2016 17:12:03 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | After seven pages of grammar and semantics, we STILL have not discovered the mistake, (deliberate or otherwise). Could it be the failures to obey health and Safety guidelines in operating a machine with unguarded gears and driving belt, or the lack of Safety Glasses (as opposed to wearing plain spectacles)? It can't be that the chuck lacks the jaw lying in the chip tray? Will someone, PLEASE, put us out of our misery, by telling the answer. Howard |
Mike | 17/05/2016 17:24:22 |
![]() 713 forum posts 6 photos | Rod: Thanks again - due to your prompt I've managed to switch autocorrect off, after a 20-minute staring match with the wretched machine. Aluminum Aluminium. So there! |
clivel | 17/05/2016 18:06:35 |
344 forum posts 17 photos | Posted by Howard Lewis on 17/05/2016 17:12:03:
After seven pages of grammar and semantics, we STILL have not discovered the mistake, (deliberate or otherwise). ...... Will someone, PLEASE, put us out of our misery, by telling the answer. Howard And Bubble has conveniently disappeared somewhere into the worldwide web laughing at just what a LARGE cat he has put amongst the pigeons.
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Neil Wyatt | 17/05/2016 19:18:34 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | I have taken the unusual step of emailing Jim to ask him to put you loons and quines out of your misery. Neil |
Flying Fifer | 17/05/2016 19:58:45 |
180 forum posts | Will we ever get a SINGEL or MULTIPEL answer to this. Only the Ed knows !! |
Mike | 17/05/2016 20:04:13 |
![]() 713 forum posts 6 photos | Neil: Fit like, ma loon? |
Neil Wyatt | 17/05/2016 20:21:50 |
![]() 19226 forum posts 749 photos 86 articles | Shwmae buttie! |
Dod | 17/05/2016 20:23:25 |
114 forum posts 7 photos | Posted by Mike on 17/05/2016 20:04:13:
Neil: Fit like, ma loon? The classic answer to that is "nae bad foos yersel" Spel chekir disna like doric
Mike, in your part of the Moray coast they spik a version of Buckie fisher Gaelic not true doric but then we could stray on to the alumimum aluminium debate |
Mike | 18/05/2016 02:04:15 |
![]() 713 forum posts 6 photos | Dod, I am a newcomer in this part of the world, although I have lived here for 20 years. As a mere observer, it seems as if Doric changes almost from village to village as you move along the Moray Firth coast. The most entertaining speaker was a female colleague when I was editor of the local paper in Banff: I had just about learned to understand her when I retired after doing the job for six years! |
Hopper | 18/05/2016 05:52:09 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 17/05/2016 10:42:20:...
...A friend went to school in the US. Aged 12 it was agreed that it was OK for her to stand facing the wall whilst the rest of the class swore allegiance to the flag, but her refusal to spell words like colour, theatre, and aluminium correctly was always punished. On the subject of Aluminum, the spelling is consistent with Platinum and Tantalum. Does anyone know the origin of these variations?
Edit Fixed deliberate error. Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 17/05/2016 10:45:13 Ironically though, the Seppos were right on some counts. ISTR that British English generally (but not always) used the Latin-derived -or and -er endings until Doc Johnson came along circa 1750 in his newfangled dictionary and started using the less common French derived -our and -re endings, just because he liked French. On Aluminum, have the Americans come up with a way to chromum plate their aluminum? Or do they still rely on chromium? |
Hopper | 18/05/2016 05:55:08 |
![]() 7881 forum posts 397 photos | Posted by Howard Lewis on 17/05/2016 17:12:03:
After seven pages of grammar and semantics, we STILL have not discovered the mistake, (deliberate or otherwise). Could it be the failures to obey health and Safety guidelines in operating a machine with unguarded gears and driving belt, or the lack of Safety Glasses (as opposed to wearing plain spectacles)? It can't be that the chuck lacks the jaw lying in the chip tray? Will someone, PLEASE, put us out of our misery, by telling the answer. Howard I think we have gone from deliberate mistakes to mistaken deliberations! BTW, don't you just hate the overuse of exclamation marks like that? Screamers, they are known as in some newspaper circles. (also as dog's dicks in others!) |
John McNamara | 18/05/2016 07:45:15 |
![]() 1377 forum posts 133 photos | MisTakEs |
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