Change to the Code of Conduct

Hi, I'm much the same as Rod, the only real problems I have are my own senior moments.

Regards Nick.

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I have noticed people posting videos on this forum and at the same time on other related forums. I can only guess at their motives, could it merely be "look how clever I am", or is it a cheap means of making money?

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+1 on what Rod and Nick said - I actually like the format of this forum, a lot of others seem very cluttered.

Just my two cents worth.

Rob

I think a lot depends on the actual video, there are a couple on here here that post them regularly but don't really have any other activity on the forum but will at least respond to questions.

The other ME forum I'm quite active on you will get people asking for a video of a finished engine and it is the norm to post one along with photo's throughout the build thread.

As one who posts my fair share they fall into several types. Often I find it easier to pop down to the workshop or record onscreen something than try to explain it which may also be easier for someone else to follow. There are a few that went with the Milling for beginners series to further illustrate what was being said. The ones I have done to show the CNC have I think been useful to others and comments made have helped me make better use of it. There is also the fact that it is hard to doctor a video so for example if someone asked what runout I may have on my mill or lathe I could say anything but the video will show what I actually have and the ones (and photos) that show things being machined show that you are talking from actual first hand experience. Plus a bit of showing off the latest model of course

I'd don't mind this format either and seldom have issues, some things are actually better than the likes of Proboards

Edited By JasonB on 24/06/2020 13:34:35

The only thing missing I can think of at the moment is the ability to upload and share files like DXF & ZIP.

The option to share can be a great help if you get stuck with your CAD/CAM system or something.

Martin.

Thanks Neil, as I said I am more a nuts and bolts kind of bloke and have never ventured into CNC or 3D printing even, so as I suggested this electronic interweb stuff is a bit of a dark art to me! The forum solutions I was looking at were mainly hosted type deals which I guess are for simpler, smaller operations. The costs you quote are a surprise to me but I bow to your more in depth knowledge.

All the best,

Paul.

I wondered the same thing re money and looked into this a while back quite superficially but quickly deduced unless you got some kind of sponsorship deal hosting adverts and unless you had a great deal of followers and a high number of views the income generated would be pretty insignificant. As to the look how clever I am angle, who knows why people do it? I have doubts that would be the motivation also and would tend to take the more charitable view like Barrie that it's a desire to spread knowledge. Certainly if you undertake such a venture you open yourself up to all sorts of criticism, some comments on here about these type of videos have been pretty scathing in the past! In many cases in my opinion unjustifiably so but that's my personal opinion.

I do have a YouTube account and I have the sum total of four videos posted I think over the past 10 or so years. 1 showing the test run on air of one of my traction engines and the others machining ops, none featuring me or with any commentary! I am no where near charismatic or photogenic enough to inflict that on others. All were produced to be linked to a forum thread, I guess in a similar manner to Jason's but nowhere near his quality!

I do have a long running build thread for my half size traction engine (Little Samson) on another forum. As to my motivation for that - there are 3 or 4 others building the same engine on that forum and it's a good way to exchange information and secondly to try and show just because you have limited, small machinery with some help by access to bigger stuff you can do it and actually make quite a bit on the small stuff. Not many people seem to make bits for 6" scale engines on a mini mill, myford or Hobbymat! It's not to show people how clever I arnt but to try and inspire people to have a go.

Paul.

I have to laugh, one of my videos has 3 views... the most popular is a short film of a loco at IMLEC 2019, just about 15 seconds with 356 views. I do have one of a 3D printed escapement I got off thingiverse and it has 1.5K' views! Not going to make me any money, but it shows how a tongue in cheek title lures in viewers!

Neil

That's certainly not the usual form of "click bate"

As for "the desire among users for a more modern platform". I don't consider myself either a Luddite or a dinosaur, but have over the years become used to the ME/MEW forum user interface, and do not find any inadequacies within it that would justify a change.

I have to smile at the postings appearing that are standing up for the forum software!

I'm used to the weekly appearance of threads criticising it, just proves you can't please all of the people all of the time!

Regular mentions are dodgy editor (especially how it works on apple devices), inability to automatically upload or link to images, upload other file formats, poor linking and quoting, the inability to 'like' a post rather than having to post a new message to express agreement or approval, a propensity for logging people out, no easy way to go straight to unread messages and the lack of some custom views showing you (e.g) threads you have commented on.

I don't think any of these would get in the way of how people use the forum at present, but would make life easier for many. Obviously any new system would mean a couple of visits to get used to a new layout, but that's happened with the present system and it didn't cause any major problems.

Neil

Regular mentions are dodgy editor

Is that not you, Neil?🙂🙂🙂

I have only two gripes - being logged off continually (Shhh, not been happening lately🤞🏻 ) and not being able to read a page of posts the other way (latest post at top of the page). The rest are relatively easily overcome with work-arounds (I think). I think the editor is a very fair fellow, not some electronic wizardry that does not work optimally

I'm really, really not sure I work optimally....

You might want to consider the ambiguity of that.

(oh - I see someone beat me to it!)

Edited By Bandersnatch on 25/06/2020 17:27:41

After a youtube link was removed from another thread about Aluminium casting i thought i better look up this thread to try and work out what i can and cannot do . While i fully understand why the links are being removed I don’t know if i can still mention a youtube channel -ie i was watching Neil Wyatt on his channel yesterday and he was doing this or that . There is no link just a channel mention and it would be up to the other forum members to look up that channel if interested - is this ok ? The difficult thing with allowing or removing links to channels is today they may post a video and they have never done any reviews of any products whatsoever but tomorrow they might .

If I cannot mention a youtube channel because of the problems caused by reviews ( personally i hate them ) for the legitimate advertisers on this website wouldn’t it be the same for sites like ebay , banggood ,amazon etc? I have seen plenty of links to ebay items when a forum member has asked where can they get this or that .

We can't see into the future so nothing that can be done if someone starts doing review type videos after a link to their channel is posted. However you can do the same as the Mods do before linking to a video, look at the Youtubers other videos and make a decision based on what you see, no sign of reviews and most likely your link is fine if they are doing reviews then you can expect your link to be removed.

As for your second point I have been removing links to e-bay etc this is covered by the first few words in the CoC clause "Posts linking to unregulated sellers"

Posting links to unregulated sellers or ‘review videos’
While we understand that forum members want to discuss all aspects of the hobby,
we reserve the right to remove links or posts linking to sellers who may be
supplying goods not properly covered by UK safety or consumer legislation.
This includes ‘review videos’ that generate income from such links.

You can link to what can be judged as a bona fide seller or simply say e-bay or bought off the web etc.

I think you have to be careful about removing links. The moderator's personal opinions shouldn't come into it. There's one engineering forum where you aren't allowed to mention Atlas machine tools because the moderator doesn't like them! I don't see anything wrong with Youtube videos, Youtube themselves will remove any offensive material. We are old enough to decide what to buy without it being censored.

Edited By JasonB on 26/08/2020 09:00:31

Quoting from the COC and Neil's first post on the thread:

"Posting links to unregulated sellers or ‘review videos’
While we understand that forum members want to discuss all aspects of the hobby,
we reserve the right to remove links or posts linking to sellers who may be
supplying goods not properly covered by UK safety or consumer legislation.
This includes ‘review videos’ that generate income from such links.

We will try and apply as light a touch as possible."

The COC only limits itself to links to sellers supplying goods not properly covered by UK safety or consumer legislation and review videos of such. It only refers to the linked review videos, not the whole lot of unrelated videos one person may posses!

How can one say that "we'll try to apply a light a touch as possible" and then delete a link to a video where no advertising was being made? Isn't this nitpicking?

Forgive me, English is not my native language so it could very well be I'm missing something something here as I really cant's see/understand the problem.