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Thanks for that (not done it yet). Just spoke to someone from an engineering background who says the Tom Senior model like that is pretty rare with a Quill handle. He said most of them were fixed so diagonal drilling was not possible. Very hopeful. Anyone reading this post, may I say thanks you all for your input. See what tomorrow brings.

Steve.

That Tom Senior is also on ebay at £1700 - extra probably to cover fees.

Hi Steve there is a nice tom senior listed on here today, with quill feed and inverter. These machines can be stripped down to moveable to be carried by two people,as we did... The one on here is a much better one than mine!There was a super rare Ton Senior in denford marketed guise... that’s the best version!

However, big is better no doubt about that all. Like the Beaver you mention.

On the smaller machines like the Tom Senior, a better machine is the Van Norman; often overlooked and ungainly looking, but it can shift metal for a machine with a small footprint. I would say ; if buying secondhand is what quality accessories are available withe machine, and how well has it been looked after, and what if it needs something? Ie feedscrew ect?? ie spares!

kind regards and good luck!

vic

Thanks vic. I will be having a good look at the play etc. Having spoken to the seller it seems he is meticulous with his machines, so I expect it to be very good. At 350kg it will probably be quite rigid in operation as long as everything is adjusted correctly. I know most of the Western made machines used the Acme thread to keep things tight. As long as they are not worn out. That was something that always bothered me about the imported machines using plain threads. Even the lathes seem to have poor threads , which of course causes all sorts of problems down the line.

Steve.

To be honest I am really gritting my teeth here.

EDIT Some content removed due to language and political content, Jason

I ran a very fruitful company for many years, with at times over 15 employees. My customers were companies like Foxes biscuits, Nestle Rowntree, Thornton's & even a company from Colne, that made biscuits for the famous Harrods department store. I advised many companies on the tempering of chocolate to make sure it had the correct shine when finished. How to run a production line efficiently & even had a hand in the production in the making of the various Kit Kat flavours. I even helped design & build the injection pumps for the After 8 Baileys flavour, the orange flavour & others. In all my time as a contractor I never came across a pompous **** **** . Because my customer was always right. Even if sometimes I did not agree so. I went with their needs. It paid off & I retired with a healthy income. I live very comfortable & put that down to being good at what I did. It seems the people at a particular company have totally different views to mine. A bit like the Noah's ark project, which was build it & they will come.

It seems to me that the owners of ARC have the outlook that they will come to us & we shall turn them away at our discretion. If you had a diamond ring that was the only one in the world you could choose your customer because you could. A bit like the last Bentley i bought, sorry the books are full for the next 2 years. Ok i will take my business elsewhere. Unfortunately you are selling cheap imported goods from a country that recycles anything they can get there hands on. ************************************************* Jesus I even bought my new F-type from a dealer that bent over backwards to please me. I have never had a reply from someone who says. The chances of us selling to you are LOW. I am sorry but I await in abatement for the arbituary of your company when it goes POP & the way you operate it will. We have turned down 5 prospective buyers, What a load of ****. The they will ring me back bit is from a you tube video that you must have watched. Something like how to get rich quick.

Sorry for being so bitter but after a few PM's I have had it seems that this forum has a few members that are in the clutches of some sellers ads. That is sad. Which means the truth about human beings is it is all about me. Profit for the individual. Not about helping others making a decision on a product. You know who you are. Because I am being so forthright about the forum I expect I will be excommunicated forthwith. So before I am banned from the forum. Thanks to all the people that sent me private mails warning me about the inner circle of the forum. You all gave me good advice which I took. 

Steve.

Steve.

Edited By Steviegtr on 09/03/2020 03:20:42

Edited By JasonB on 09/03/2020 07:35:18

Plain threads? WTF? How does that work?

Edited By JasonB on 09/03/2020 07:01:14

I saw the content of Steve’s post in the automatic email notification.

Just for the record, I am happy for the content of that post to be reinstated in its entirety as it was written by him.

It is up to Neil and/or Jason as moderators to decide if they wish to do so.

Ketan at ARC

Steve, may be a bit more research on your part would be a good idea, even the little SX2.7 I have here does not use Vee threads ( What I assume you mean by standard) Like a lot of the imported stuff it has a trapizodial thread form on the lead screws which is the metric form of ACME. Not measured the angles on my X3 which is imperial so don't know if it is 10tpi ACME or 2.54Tr but definately not "plain"

Edited By JasonB on 09/03/2020 07:45:30

Posts crossed Ketan, I have removed the content that is against forum rules, next time I may well just delete the lot.

I think Ketan’s comments about this particular machine are quite in order, until the machine is proven not to have any further deficiencies. It may be a shame that buyers are used as a form of test bed, but that goes on throughout industries - car makers do thousands of miles testing new models but still the first production models may be monitored as customer testing. New food lines are finally tested on the public - and withdrawn, on occasions, if sales are poor.

Small companies do not have the resources to test machines (often to destruction) and require supportive users to make honest suggestions for improvements and not to blab all over the internet if the machine is found to have a defect. I think this may be a case like that and selection of honest reliable ‘testers’ can only be made from well known previous customers. Stevie gtr (whatever that stands for) simply does not fit the criteria for testing this, or any, new model in the home workshop. I would add that Andrew clearly does not have a typical home hobby workshop, so might be excluded from being used as a testing station.🙂

I can think of a few others that may be excluded. Possibly me as well.😇

Can I thank Jason and remind other forum members that no matter how fervently they hold their opinions there's no need to use unpleasant language.

Clearly Steviegtr and some other forum members think we have some closed 'magic circle'; I think we are far more open about relationships between advertisers and sponsors these days than in the past (LBSC I'm looking at you...)

All I will say are two things:

A few of our regular advertisers are active in engaging on the forum, sending me press notices or offering things for review, several others choose not to do so. This is their choice and personally I'd be delighted if they were able to engage more often but each company has to balance how it uses its resources and has its own approach to promotions and social media.

Secondly, it does make me smile when I see how people assume that all these hobby suppliers are engaged in battle, red in tooth and claw. Actually the vast majority of the companies all get along very well as individuals; they all share a common interest of a diverse and well-supported hobby and each focuses on a slightly different user profile.

Now please, let's keep this civil.

Neil

Boxford VM30

Auction ending on the 12th includes a Boxford VM30. No quill on these, but this one looks pretty unmolested, if a bit grubby. £87 + fees at the time of posting.

Nigel B

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The perils of self-glorification coupled with dispensing toys from perambulators on public forums has rarely been demonstrated more fully. We are blessed with liberal moderators!

rgds

Bill

neil Jason, let me remind you that this is not the first time ketan has spat his dummy with a fellow member. not so long ago he ranted to a fellow member who criticised Chinese tools and the whole post was deleted, pehaps he needs talking to. regards gary.

I think the mods should close this thread, I can see the way it is heading which will not be good.

Funnily enough I was just about to do just that.

Before I do, I'll just observe that in times long past, some previous contributors and editors enjoyed close relationships with 'UK based suppliers' that don't seem to have raised any eyebrows; Tom Senior for one, I won't mention others. Strange how times change.

Neil