Take a look?

There is an Aussie who has got that bit covered too

Should that be read Verboten or Verbatim?

- Nick

M is close to N.

I was aware of an Oz web site but did wonder if he had it all correct. That's the problem.

Examination and Testing ................... - compulsory reading for boiler inspectors maybe - pretty pointless. Even building inspectors opinions can vary. It would need to cover what can be done and by who, how to do it, sums and everything else related as well.

John

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Have you read it or has your keyboard got diarrhea again ?

No not one persons web site, AMBSC boiler codes, a good read.

Yes I had and just did so again. Inadequate and uses the word opinion and some strength aspects that also come across as opinion.

John

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See this page - down near the bottom under IMPORTANT NOTE **LINK**

Will CE marking be of much interest after Brexit and will something else replace it?

Can anyone remember what happened before the EU got involved?

Brian

How did you manage to read a book that earlier you didn't know existed. ?

Book, not web site.

Not sure a book for designing miniature boilers would eliminate the Darwin factor...

**LINK**

Enjoy

Steve

I hadn't seen it stated like that anywhere. One aspect that struck me but only by being pedantic is that some steam pressure vessels probably do need to meet EU regs so it could be argued that ones that fall out of their scope due to size etc could use it as well as it meets that EU requirement. It covers all sorts of things such as certificates of conformance on parts from external suppliers.

I'd guess that the lawyers would have a wonderful time with that.

Also didn't some one mention that on the boiler that started this thread no one would buy if it didn't have ce on it or something to that effect?

John

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I did know about it but as mentioned no signs of several things that I feel should be in it - calculations and etc.

Book no, web yes. It seems to be available directly for download from some model engineering club sites.

There is a book, old, kicking around on actual model boiler design but my vague recollection is that it's a bit vague on some areas of the strength needed in some places on the boiler.

Looks like Oz may have done it properly. That's some index Jason and I assume infinitely preferable to discussing a design with some one or the other. Also when materials are being bought suppliers should be able to provide proof of what it actually is. Copper, annealed or what ever.

John

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In the 19th century there were no standards, and it was perfectly legal in the UK to dilute milk with dirty water and give babies typhoid.

Unless the marking is a fake, CE is good for the consumer. It reassures us that the goods we're buying meet minimum legal standards. A TV without a CE mark is a 'wrong-un' and the seller is legally at fault.

CE is pretty much essential if you manufacture and want to sell goods abroad. British products cannot be sold in the EU without a CE mark, and many non-EU countries also require it.

Replacing CE with a home grown equivalent would be expensive. You would need an equivalent set of National Standards, conformance testing, and a raft of new enabling legislation.

No-one knows what the long term effects of Brexit will be. I suspect CE marking is one of the things that won't change.

"Can anyone remember what happened before the EU got involved?"

Yes, it was a bloody nightmare because you had to certify goods for every country you wanted to sell them in. Many of the stds were becoming harmonised anyway but the actual testing and certification had to be done by the official approvals body for each country. Time consuming and expensive.

There aren't many products that won't want to be offered to the EU, given that it is on our doorstep and accounts for the vast majority of our exports. If the UK goes its own way, I expect we will simply have to get CE AND BS or whatever we decide to call it. Twice the work. Nice one.

Well stuff used to be marked with BSxxxx or a kitemark. The issue that BS were sometimes tougher requirement to achieve than CE requirements is worth remembering and that most people can't distinguish between CE and C E (China Export) is another...

Steve

Observation on CE marks.

How can you 'attach the mark to it anyway to show it complies with the standard' if there is no standard (e.g. small boilers)?

Neil

Neil

Perhaps what it needs is a 'CE exempt' sticker .

The pressure vessel regulations are a nightmare. In 2002 I spent 3 months reading all regulations relating to pressure vessels so I could design a box for air transport of a small spacecraft with numerous hazardous materials in small quantities. We put it in a pressure vessel designed to take everything going wrong at the same time.

The regs were as nightmare. The UK regs, implementing the EU regs had a crucial 'not' inserted by our glorious Whitehall twits, making the UK regs the inverse of the EU regs and thereby also unsafe. As it was also unfired, I had to design to BS 5700, and that (at the time) was a technical nightmare. Working from the beginning I found I got referenced to other paragraphs to 7 levels deep, and to the same requirements on 17 separate occasions. During the project I found we had to comply with 70 regulations, directives or acts of parliament, and in the 2 year life of the project 20 were unpdated, 3 were updated twice. Any book would be out of date before the first copy was published.

Regards

Richard

Couldn't you have just stuck it on a bus ?