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Terryd	20/03/2011 14:36:11
1946 forum posts 179 photos	Posted by John Stevenson on 20/03/2011 11:27:56: Love here or hate her she was the only person who stood up to the unions. I'd hate to think of where we would be today if we had the unions AND Health and Safety. John S. Well John, I agree, if she hadn't defeated the unions she wouldn't have found it so easy to improve Britain by decimating industry in this country. She was able to close the coal mines (pity we need them now), deprive the railways of investment needed in preference to her preferred road transport. She also closed those horrible steelworks, shipbuilding, aviation industry etc etc. and discourage engineering as an old fashioned "macho industry" (her words) which we did not need in the new dawn of clean service industries we would rely on (mainly investment banking and insurance). Without any organisations to oppose her she Improved us greatly. I also agree about H&S without those regulations the abattoirs, butchers, restaurants etc wouldn't have the huge costs of all those pesky hygiene rules. Builders could save the costs of hard hats, eye protection, proper ladders etc and engineering may not have had their problems if they didn't have to bother with all those machine guards etc etc. So what if more workers are killed, maimed and poisoned as long as proper profits can be made. We have plenty of unemployed to replace them. In more recent times it was not the unions who caused the demise of Rover or Vauxhall or the many famous industrial companies we have lost in recent years. One could carry on this list for a long time, but don't blame the unions. Best regards Terry Edited By Terryd on 20/03/2011 15:19:57
The Merry Miller	20/03/2011 15:38:45
484 forum posts 97 photos	I think that we're getting slightly off track now folks, can we get back to the original thread and leave politics out of it.
The Merry Miller	20/03/2011 16:01:47
484 forum posts 97 photos	What, left politics out of it or got back to the boat that Guy built?
Steve Garnett	20/03/2011 16:39:03
837 forum posts 27 photos	Posted by Les Jones 1 on 20/03/2011 12:14:31: Today I came across a group of Youtube videos about Bletchley Park that are an example of how to make an interesting program. The quality of the pictures and sound may not be BBC standard but the content beats it. Here is a link them Bletchley Park video The content is certainly interesting, and this has been much better researched, and the actual quality of the pictures is fine - but the production values make it rather hard to watch and listen to, I'm afraid, starting with the first shot. I'm not going to bore you with the details, but you just don't do that! Also, the entire narrative seems to be on one sound channel only - rather disconcerting when you listen to it on headphones. If you took the content from this, and applied it to some acceptable production values (and there really are good reasons for this), you'd end up with a cracking good series (pun intended). I'm sorry about the politics - it may well be my fault it started, but I wasn't playing the blame game because there is fault all over the place here, regardless of your political persuasion. All I would say is that we wouldn't have to put up with programs like Guy's Boat (which spends a lot of time looking backwards, because there's no forwards to look forward to from this point of view) if we hadn't got into this particular mess as a country in the first place. Steve
Nicholas Farr	20/03/2011 20:25:21
3988 forum posts 1799 photos	Hi, switched TV on early this evening to sort through all my full RW DVD's so I could record the Wonders of the Universe which is on later. When I'd done that, Guy and his boat he bulit (allegedly) was on, so I watched it. I reckon the clock man started mearsuring for the length of screws he would need for his new bit, but found out it held it OK with the mike. But seriously it looked like quite an old and basic mike and probaly held better than a commercially made clamp, and was probally cheaper from a second hand shop (where else) and of course he could preset it to fit closely over the two thicknesses of brass and clamp it up with one hand. The thing I couldn't believe is Guy thinking that cotton came from sheep, I mean where has he been all his life, hasn't he heard the Beach Boys song Cottonfields? His clock alarm was a bit OTT but it seem to work a treat with the window wiper motor. Regards Nick.
Steve Garnett	20/03/2011 21:24:40
837 forum posts 27 photos	Posted by Nicholas Farr on 20/03/2011 20:25:21: The thing I couldn't believe is Guy thinking that cotton came from sheep, I mean where has he been all his life... Isn't the education system wonderful? Even SWMBO (who is a teacher) was slightly taken aback by that. Mind you, I seem to recall that for a short while back in the dark ages (1957), the BBC had loads of children believing that Spaghetti grew on trees, so maybe it isn't just the education system... Currently I believe that there are several gullible ones around who think that penguins can fly, for exactly the same reason! (I tried to embed the relevant youtube videos, but the site doesn't appear to do this properly) Edited By Steve Garnett on 20/03/2011 21:30:14
peter walton	21/03/2011 09:17:58
84 forum posts	For such a naff program with so little usefull content why does it take so many 'back room' bods :- Production manager Production Coordinator Reasearcher Production Team of 6 Off line editor On line editor Dubbing Mixer(or is it down) Producer Production Associate Head of Production Executive Producer Executive Producer for BBC Series Producer and a Produced and directed by 'Never Have so many done so much to produce so little!' I think Fred Dibner will be turning in his grave over the poor content! Peter
Steve Garnett	21/03/2011 10:15:22
837 forum posts 27 photos	Well, since you asked... Yes, there are far too many credits with 'producer' attached to them. More than half of them had nothing to do with the actual production at all; they're just the Beeb hierarchy who like seeing their names on credits. In an independent production company you could lose most of these people. The on-line editor's job is merely button-pushing - there's nothing creative about this at this stage - that happened during the off-line edit (comes first). As for the production team - that looks like two minimal crews in different locations, but without further details it's hard to say. The dubbing mixer was probably responsible for recording the voice-over, and the production manager and co-ordinator are responsible for what happens on location with the crew, etc, and actually locating the locations, respectively. I think that probably, the production manager job is now a H&S requirement. It's what is missing from this list that is more significant - where are the external consultants, who might have stopped some of the stupidity? And a research team of, er, one? The person who has to take the ultimate responsibility for the way the program looks is the director - but with the best will in the world, he or she can only work with what is given to them in terms of material - and this is where the real let-down is in this case.
Engine Builder	27/03/2011 19:27:38
267 forum posts	Just watched tonights episode. According to the narration, the material used to make the baked bean can was wrought iron !!
Andrew Johnston	27/03/2011 20:11:12
7061 forum posts 719 photos	Oh dear, if it was then I expect the iron was actually dis-t-rought at being wrongly identified. Andrew
Gordon W	28/03/2011 09:33:50
2011 forum posts	Well, I've just seen this famous program for the first time. What's all the fuss about ? Better than corrie. .and quite interesting in places. not posted as a technical program. BTW early cans were tinned wrought iron, took about 50 years after the innovation to invent a tin opener.
Steve Garnett	28/03/2011 10:17:54
837 forum posts 27 photos	Posted by Gordon W on 28/03/2011 09:33:50: Well, I've just seen this famous program for the first time. What's all the fuss about? Mainly the earlier ones, which seem to involve some awful bodges.
ady	28/03/2011 11:22:17
612 forum posts 50 photos	The Mark Williams series made compulsive viewing for me, it was obvious he enjoyed what he was doing, and what he did was interesting. The one I've spotted recently is "the British at work" hosted by Kirsty Young. Seems to be on the iplayer. http://tinyurl.com/4kmfvkc While the usual revisionism is employed it's still worth a watch, showing the good ol' days and the huge workplace changes over the last 40 years. I've yet to see a British historical series mention the small fact that from the post war period until 1980 you never ever saw a beggar on the streets of Britain. Only 3rd world countries had street beggars. "Thatchers children" aren't really yuppies, they're street beggars. Edited By ady on 28/03/2011 11:48:19 Edited By Diane Carney on 28/03/2011 16:34:05
Steve Garnett	28/03/2011 12:01:57
837 forum posts 27 photos	Posted by ady on 28/03/2011 11:22:17: I've yet to see a British historical series mention the small fact that from the post war period until 1980 you never ever saw a beggar on the streets of Britain. Only 3rd world countries had street beggars. That's hardly surprising, because from my own experience, it simply isn't true. We used to call them 'tramps', or slightly more politely 'gentlemen of the road' back then, and at least where I lived there were plenty around in the early 50's. I remember in 1963 during all that snow that my father got his car stuck getting it out of the garage, and a couple of passing tramps asked whether he could spare them 6d for a cup of tea. He said "if you help me get this car out, I'll give you ten bob!" And believe me, that was sufficient incentive... and expensive! Around London, there was plenty of begging going on in the 70's - it was quite hard to avoid them. In fact it got so popular that it almost became a lifestyle choice in the 80's - which is when most people heard about it, because of places like Cardboard City. But it has been going on more or less continually since the war, certainly.
methusala	28/03/2011 15:22:34
32 forum posts	Hi All, talking about beggars. my son lives in Bath, and one day he came across a beggar with a dog, so he went into the local supermarket and bought two tins of dog food , apparently the beggar was most displeased, and didnt appreciate my sons charitable act, much to his amusement. Colin.
chris stephens	28/03/2011 16:24:47
1049 forum posts 1 photos	Hi Guys, I think Ady is trying, and failing, to make a political point. He clearly has no grasp of reality on the subject. chriStephens
Nicholas Farr	30/03/2011 20:17:14
3988 forum posts 1799 photos	Hi, just watched tonights edition, brought back memories of when I was on the narrow boat holiday that I've metioned before, when they went through Harecastle Tunnel, only we went through the other way. Interesting bit about silk weaving. and a nice bit of picture painting by that pro boat painting lady, Guy's efforts of copying her were probaly better than mine. Strange he didn't know about the special bridge for the horses in the old days, I recognised what it was straight away and we don't even have such cannals in this area. Regards Nick. Edited By Nicholas Farr on 30/03/2011 20:18:16
modeng2000	30/03/2011 21:14:28
340 forum posts 1 photos	He probably didn't know just for the programme! John

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