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Terryd	30/11/2010 13:35:56
1946 forum posts 179 photos	Dear David, our 'expert' has complained about personal messages on posts. Fine, but it was not just I there were several people who were enjoying a bit of fun and not particularly detracting from the post. There have been many irrelevant threads in terms of model engineering on this forum and many other forums for that matter. There have also been many occasions when personal messages have gone on for quite a period. I suppose that all of those will be archived without being deleted. I am accused of not making positive contributions well I think that our self appointed guardian should read the the posts I have contributed. As well as the thanks I have received for my advice. At least I don't expect much of the thread to be comprised of congratulatory and sycophantic messages such as appear on HMEM where there are pages of messages which say more or less "Well done J*** ". How do those contribute to the store of knowledge in this wonderful 'archive', I don't see requests for that garbage to be deleted as distracting from the thread even though I find it annoying to have to trawl through them to get to the useful bits. It appears that the role of this forum ,and others, is being taken far too seriously by pompous individuals, what some think of as 'garbage', others think of a light relief from the tedium of so called experts. I don't really think this forum, whatever we may think is going very far beyond the subscribers no matter how important we think it may be. The subject of this particular thread had been well covered, Wolfie's questions were answered sensibly and fully and that was the original purpose of the thread, no more no less. The so called 'garbage can be skipped over, much as some of the so called advice should be (some of which is simply wrong, often uninformed and as such garbage). I think it is a sad day when a couple of messages from a few guys have to be censored when they are not insulting ( some comments about them are), obscene, Lewd, profane or aimed at harming any individual. As for future potential model engineers reading this, I'm sure that they would prefer the excess formality to be broken with occasional humour as I learned early in my teaching career much to my and my students benefit. Please answer this David, if I wish to give some details of my career, albeit in an irreverent and comical way instead of a pompous and formal manner, what is wrong with that. If you read my posts that is exactly what I was doing , pointing out some of my qualifications and details of my experience in engineering and teaching over the last 50 years. Most forums would expect individuals to do that so that their advice can be weighed up and judged in the context of their experience, because as we know, there is a lot of crp written on the internet and even on this forum. Just because my information is offered in an informal way does not make it of any less value or 'garbage' as some would insultingly write. My career has not been 'garbage'. It is only those who do not comprehend who see it that way. In the same way that many of my students used to dismiss literature, serious music, the theatre, and Lord forbid even cricket, as 'rubbish'. There is such a thing as nuance as well as humour. Just because some cannot see it does not make their judgements valid. If there was an attack on individuals or insults, profanities etc then perhaps action should be taken and I applaud your actions David in deleting expletives from some posts as I do not swear myself and find it very disturbing. But in this case I think that the views of one individual should not have influenced you without discussion with the others involved. There is very much pomposity, self importance and formality on these forums and there must be room for a little humour - we are not writing text books despite what some may think, there are plenty of those around. As for attacking others I only respond to individuals when attacked myself and anyone who thinks otherwise should read my posts properly. If the humour distracted from the thread surely the complaints did also. Terry By the way, the word crp is not a swear word, despite popular thought, the word is derived from old Anglo Saxon word crappe meaning simply 'rubbish' and is nothing to do with the name of the inventor of the flushing toilet, just before the uninformed accuse me of swearing. Edited By Terryd on 30/11/2010 13:44:11 Edited By Terryd on 30/11/2010 13:57:01 Edited By Terryd on 30/11/2010 14:07:35
Nicholas Farr	30/11/2010 14:28:31
3988 forum posts 1799 photos	Hi, I agree the OP had been covered well. I find some off topic posts interesting, sometimes they have a connection to the thread and have the ideal relavence at that particular time only. There are of course off topics that I'm not interested in, and I just skip over them, no big deal. Regards Nick. Edited By Nicholas Farr on 30/11/2010 14:28:55
David Clark 1	30/11/2010 14:42:56
3357 forum posts 112 photos 10 articles	Hi There I will leave the thread alone. Just deleted off topic messages to see what mebers would say. regards david
Diane Carney	30/11/2010 14:47:00
419 forum posts 11 photos	Chaps and Chapesses. I was going to start a new thread but maybe here is the place to start. This thread has been hijacked, to a degree. As far as I can see it ran its natural course and maybe should have petered out but it has mutated and become a discussion on etiquette. As your newly appointed moderator I will let you know where I stand on forums: Forums have their place and anyone choosing to contribute does so at their own discretion. Any contributor must be able to take a bit of flack without recoiling. That is the nature of the medium. That said, nobody should be expected to take vilification of a personal nature. Another trait of this medium is that a thread will, from time to time, wander OT. If this happens to the point whereby the original topic is long forgotten and you are annoyed by the deviation and want to say more on your original topic then start a new thread with a similar title to your original. (Maybe post "this topic is continued elsewhere".) There are a set of rules in the Code of Conduct (please refresh your memory if required) that lay down the 3 basics: No swearing, no writing on the walls and obey all the rules. But especially no swearing. I personally think, also, that sarcasm and snide remarks say more about the writer than the intended recipient so proceed with caution. (I have been reading every post for the last three weeks and I'm getting the picture....) David very rarely deletes postings. Frequently deleting postings negates the value of the forum. I also shall let threads take their own course with minimal intervention. But please do be mindful of the author and his/her intentions and if the correspondence has been of a technical nature in the main, then try to keep it fairly close to the subject. Your moderators are not fountains of all knowledge (quite) so if someone makes an inaccurate statement then correct them without belittling them. Now there's a challenge for you.... Thank you for persevering with this post. You will hear very little from me henceforth. DC (that's the other DC).
Nicholas Farr	30/11/2010 15:00:36
3988 forum posts 1799 photos	Hi the other DC, well spoken. I have to agree with what you have said. But don't stand off allways, a little objectiveness can be benifical. Regards Nick.
Bogstandard	30/11/2010 21:56:33
263 forum posts	I just wish I could show on here how much support I have been given thru PM's and telephone conversations about my quest to keep posts on this site clear of unadulterated garbage and post hijacking, but I think it would embarrass our major contributor above too much, not for the praise he gets, but the fact that he contributes so little information yet has so many posts to his name. In fact, as I have replied to some of the people who contacted me, I think this site is actually beyond rescue, because of the atitude of such people above. Because of that beyond rescue point, I will leave you now to your long, gum beating posts about absolutely nothing of interest, and hope you do survive once those people are brought under control. Your loss, not mine Bogs
Wolfie	07/12/2010 20:24:46
502 forum posts	Jolly good stuff, not sure what all the fighting is about, all discussion is good. And I now know a lot more about mills than I did before ta very much all, and peoples reminisces about how it was once done are especially interesting to read. As I've mentioned elsewhere I have a huge box of ME mags going back all the way to the 1940s and I'm ploughing my way slowly through them cos you know what? The measurements might have changed, but the laws of physics haven't. The same stuff that held true then holds true now.
Terryd	08/12/2010 15:19:16
1946 forum posts 179 photos	Bogstandard, I May not contribute in the way that you do but i do make many suggestions and research in order to help individuals. The reasons that I cannot give more than technical or verbal support at the moment is that I have not workshop or equipment following a devastating fire that destroyed all of my equipment and stock as well as most of my records, photographs models and workshop tools and euipment i have made in the last 50 years including during my 5 year apprenticeship and teaching career. If you think I have little acheivement ask the young engineers and designers etc I have helped and inspired over many years as well as those not in the profession who thank me for my inspiration to succeed. Ask the youngsters with learning difficulties who I've managed to help to get good GCSE's. Ask the young man who met me in the street recently 10 years after leaving school and gave me a big hug of thanks in a crowded shopping centre or the young female pharmacist who came from behind her screen to thank me for the high level of qualifications I inspired her to get. I could fill many pages with these examples. I invite anyone to see the testimonials I have received from students and fellow staff. I also have been sent many PMs of support and thanks for advice as well as sympathy for the attack by certain individual and I will not repeat the descriptions from those of such behaviour. and it seems as though so my posts are being read only selectively by some individuals, Far from wearing nappies I think that I've proven myself in a wider society through my whole career. An just think all this started because of a spiteful and unpleasant complaint about a couple of jokes at the end of a thread between posters who intended to harm no one. Terry D P.S just read My first three postings on tehis thread and tell me that advice was of no use. They are typical of most of my postings at the moment. Edited By Terryd on 08/12/2010 15:49:57
Chris Trice	08/12/2010 18:08:32
1376 forum posts 10 photos	Well, I welcome input from both parties but if either rubs the other up the wrong way, just ignore each other. I don't mind if threads wander a little. Afterall, it's no different than a friendly real world conversation and like that, can be brought back on topic by anyone who cares to. Can't see what the problem is but most people react badly to having someone else trying to impose their opinions on them. Neither is anyone a prisoner here. Just my two cents.
Terryd	08/12/2010 21:43:15
1946 forum posts 179 photos	Well said Chris. No comments or personal insults about infantilism, nappies or incompetence from this end. Terry Edited By Terryd on 08/12/2010 21:47:26 Edited By Terryd on 08/12/2010 21:51:58
Terryd	08/12/2010 22:35:00
1946 forum posts 179 photos	Hi Wolfie, Did you manage to do your milling? If so did you manage to overcome the milling cutter being drawn out of the chuck? Don't keep us in suspense, let us know how you got on with it. You succeeded I hope Terry
Wolfie	09/12/2010 10:09:54
502 forum posts	Things are a bit on hold at the moment mainly because its been uniformly -10 degrees in my garage and the little fan heater I have isn't coping lol. Also I am well on with the Xmas builds on the truck modelling front. Apart from that I have had a go yes and the cutter didn't move at all. Its in the 3 jaw chuck, not the tailstock chuck. Thing is, I bought a small vertical slide and the two holes in the bottom don't line up with the slots in my cross slide grr. So it was the vertical slide that moved. I need to bolt down a bit of bar both sides of it to hold it rigid, but I don't have enough T pieces. So thats where its stood at the moment.
Stub Mandrel	09/12/2010 20:39:22
4318 forum posts 291 photos 1 articles	If you can bear it, do what I did and drill and tap two holes in the cross-slide for the vertical slide mounting screws. Also. a sheet of paper under the slide may also help stop it moving. Neil
John Olsen	09/12/2010 20:57:14
1294 forum posts 108 photos 1 articles	Neil is very right with his suggestion of a piece of paper to stop things moving....For those who may not have come across this idea before it is an excellent thing to do when metal surfaces have to grip together. Ordinary paper as supplied for printing and photocopying works fine, I have also used dockets from purchases at engineering suppliers since they tend to lie around in the workshop sometimes. Just cut or tear a suitable sized piece and put it in between the two surfaces to be gripped. Paper is generally uniform enough in thickness and thin enough that you don't need to worry about any resulting error. It is really good when holding parts in a smooth jawed milling vice. regards John
KWIL	09/12/2010 21:22:43
3681 forum posts 70 photos	Paper at this level is quite abrasive and so helps to hold things still. In addition is allows those liitle peaks on the surface of your metal things to have somewhere to go (into the paper)

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