polishing in the lathe

Muzzer it don't cut unless reach over the tailstock unsupported and file right to left.
Key is support yourself leaning on head stock and try and angle the tip slightly away.

Paper over the bed, well its a tool and tools are dispensable plus the coolant will render redundant in seconds.

Regularly use long abrasives to sand down long items but as in the HSE hold both ends in a U shape going under the item, continual coolant helps and washes away debris. Some items need grabbing or getting a feel for any imperfections felt through the cloth backed abrasives, worst you will get is a slap on a finger or hand and let go.

99% of what I do is impossible to do by any other method.

I am surprised lathes are still being used in schools, thought the last ones round here 50 mile radius were sold of by 1995.
HSE in respect of this particular incident have to appear to be doing something so ban polishing. Its also a view insurance companies follow, soon as mention rotating stuff they get enquisitive, soon as mention lathe greeted with instant no we don't insure that.

Heres HSE recommended method and logic. **LINK** Look at the nutcracker (C)what 'will' happen! Your grabbing the nutcracker and also stopping it rotating, sooner or later it will grab you let go but you will also lunge towards the machine.
Notice left arm on head stock for filing, you have support.

I prefer filling left handed, so not reaching over the spindle/chuck.

If I'm filing in the lathe I always move the saddle along to give more room and remove tooling from the toolpost.

I've snagged the back of my hand on tooling while setting up before, wouldn't fancy being court by a sharp tool whilst filling.

Polishing follows the same procedure as filing by wraping a piece of wet 'n' dry round a file.

As for safety glasses, I put them on as soon as I go out into the workshop, even if I don't intend on using the lathe. Like most people I sometimes get carried away and suddenly end up doing something else which may present a hazard to my eyes.

John

> Notice left arm on head stock for filing, you have support.

Note also the guard over chuck.

Neil

Beaurocrats ignoring our industrial history as usual!

Geoff - Only now fully recovered from Monday's 0200h on then off, episode

Hi all, another four pennorth on workshop safety, the most unusual incident that ever happened to me, one evening I drew the conclusion that there was just time to pull in a little job before my dinner hit the table, don safety glasses, assemble kit required, an adaptor plate, 4 cap screws & a three sixteenths hex key, apply plate to spindle flange align holes, fit first screw leaving hex key in screw, reach for next screw key falls 4 inches onto lathe bed returning at something approaching the speed of light long end first & hits me above safety glasses exactly at the mid point between my eyebrows resulting in a perfect hexagonal dent oozing blood, I was astounded but not enough to stop the tidal wave of industrial language it unleashed. For a less unusual method of having an accident I recommend the tried & tested attempting to remove a birds nest of swarf rotating with the job using a swarf rake, spectacular results can always be guaranteed, don't do it

robjon44

**LINK**

The HSE has just issued some up dated advice on the use of emery cloth on lathes - see the link above.

..so to use method 2 I have to put on long sleeved overalls?

be very carful , I was polishihg a shaft with emery tape while wearing rubber gloves , Got caught up and took my hand round the shaft , A broken finger before I could stop the lathe . Don't think it can't happen to you

Phil

Blimey! Newbie here. I've used cloths and emery cloth when polishing metal in a lathe. I know the risks but take the utmost care, however that does bring it home to me how there are alternative and safer ways of doing work. It's also probably that the reason my lathe saw very little use for two years was that I needed guidance before actually using the lathe.

Big change, they've gone to a complete removal of any manual holding element - no bits of wood!

Neil

I don't use polishing cloths in a lathe. It's a bit sad that some schools did this as it will have an impact in all of them what ever is used for polishing. There is nothing safer than a decent length of emery cloth strip and it's what's been used for this for a lot longer than I have been around. Strips of cloth of sufficient length would be ok as would 3m film cut into strips as needed. There is only really any need to hold the ends. I'm sure others do something else at times as I do but ..............

Bores can be managed with some sort of stick with a slot in the end. I usually use a piece of bar. Afraid I don't but a hand on the end. I might even mount it in the toolpost but it wears very quickly used like that. It can make a very efficient multi point cutting tool especially if rather coarse.

I looked at buying a more modern boxford recently. Ex school from a company that visits lots of schools doing machine maintenance for them etc and also buying machines of them. Manual machines are now very thin on the ground, mostly gone. CNC rules as it's completely enclosed. Sad and mostly down to silly practices that can easily go wrong plus the precautionary principle. One's been mentioned a couple of times - ties is workshops - where the hell were the overalls which should be worn anyway.

One handed filing is amusing. Have a hand / fingers on each end and it's rather difficult to get it to catch anywhere providing it's a suitable size for the work that is being done.The worst thing to do is use a needle file one handed and have the end catch.

People shown in photo's with there head close to a running lathe and no safety glasses is why B'ham has it's very own dedicated eye hospital with no appointment needed. Urgency was gauged as people came through the door. I've known several people who needed a visit sometimes days after the swarf went in - painful as the skin grows over it. It can happen no matter how far some ones eye happens to be away from the work but if a lathe is spitting little hot bits about something is wrong somewhere. I feel that the problem can be much worse when milling.

John

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Best junk the guard then have access. Theyre always in the way and make it too difficult to see whats happening. The only time I use mine is to shield most of the coolant flinging off chuck when up close.

Quite agree John emery been used for a century or more and not just in strips but A4 sheets, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure there are idiots out there spoiling for the real machinist. Too many iffs rather than good practice and backing it up but like everything else they ban it.

I don't wear glasses, never have, one thing I am aware of feeling for whats happening and reacting. Not the opposite where tools don't cut then operator forcing and scrapping the cutter/s.
Its the intermittent cuts that tend to fling or that horrible brass, see what happens then maybe glasses or helmet with visor.

Ludicrous one handed filing up against chuck. As said use both hands one arm supported, you have control.

Just got the latest ad from axminster tools. Sanding pads shown used in a wood lathe.

How do woodworkers manage to use abrasives quite happily in their lathes. Is it because they have much riskier things to worry about like table saws, planer thicknessers and spindle moulders?

Martin

I thought the same, but the Axminster pads seem too small to get caught up and drag your fingers in.

Perhaps the practical answer is just to use short lengths of emery roll.

I must admit I use sponge sanding blocks as (1) they can't pull your fingers in and (2) if one gets thrown out of the lathe, it is unlikely to hurt!

Neil