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Steve C31/01/2012 15:23:24
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Hi all
thought id post this in the beginners section as my local college(Colchester Institute) is hoping to start an evening course one night a week 3 hours a night (6 till 9) for 15 weeks you would have full use of the workshop with a skilled engineer to help with any probs there is no formal exams or presure you work on your own stuff for this course it will cost £565 + vat per person .
please let me know what you think
many thanks
Steve Crees
David Clark 131/01/2012 15:51:43
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Hi There
£15 an hour, £45 per night.
Sounds very expensive to me.
regards David
 
 
Bazyle31/01/2012 23:01:24
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One engneer won't be able to give significant time for training if you are a complete novice and unable to work it out for yourself. These sort of classes are for people who really know what they are doing and need to pay for access to some big machines not to learn metalwork.
 
Buy a small lathe and teach yourself and join a club for advice. If you feel you need instruction offer a few bits of brass rod around the club meeting and they will queue up to help. If you don't have room or a shed have a look at the new small Hobbymat lathe - I knew a chap who used the old bigger version of it on his knees in a caravan!
 
Also have a think about what you are trying to do and why. I shouldn't have mentioned getting a lathe so readily. Only 10% of model engineering is lathework. Lots to do with a vice, a saw and a few files, then maybe a pillar drill. There was a series once in ME about building the Stuart 10V engine without a lathe. (something worth reprinting David?)
Springbok31/01/2012 23:23:50
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Bazyle
Sound advice, for that money you can buy a tidy small lathe the supplier usualy throws in some tooling join your local ME club and scrounge some scrap brass.
Pick a nice simple project and you will be off. Use forums like this for advice.
You will be on a hobby for life not just a 15 week course. and it will be What Next after the course ends !!
Good luck and please keep everyone in touch with your progress.
 
Bob
BERTO01/02/2012 01:35:10
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Not wanting to turn any one away from gaining further education in what ever field they so choose but for that price i would want my own personal tutor ! and a total of 45hrs of tuition would not be enough for anyone except those who have at least a reasonable amount of experience to learn anything .
I did most of my welding trade through night courses and can highly recommend them but the trade off was that i still had to do time in industry to gain my 1E Ticket , that was after 2 years of courses and final exams ! and that was just for MMAW (stick welding ).
 
The minimum course they did at that time was 6 months long for basic skills and this was good for hobbyist and farmers etc who want to be able to knock up a set of gates or brackets etc .
Not sure about the U.K. but here training courses are tax deductable .
 

KWIL01/02/2012 10:39:10
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I cannot see how the suggested Fee has be arrived at. We, the community already own the premises and machines, the Tutor's time has a cost as does the additional wear and tear and power usage. With say 20 students we are looking at £11K. Something is wrong with the Fee calculation as well as the incorrect use of an apostrophe in "courses" !
NJH01/02/2012 14:53:04
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Hi Kwil
 
Sadly they don't look at it like that. Went through this some years ago with college night school classes which they insisted must be costed in the same way as any other course they run. We argued, like you, that the machinery was there and the workshop was heated all the time used or not. The cost to the college of the evening course was thus the payment for the tutor and a storeman, lighting and power to run the machines plus a small amount for wear and tear on the machinery and tooling and, I guess, a little for administration. Sadly, as in so many other areas, the accountants prevailed and a valuable asset to the community floundered.
I couldn't begin to consider over £600 for 15 weeks "use of a workshop" even with a "skilled engineer" on hand to help with problems.
I wonder what a course in bean counting costs?
 
Cheers
 
Norman
fizzy01/02/2012 17:17:15
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that sounds about right - just price it out of everyones range. For £5 an hour you can come and use my workshop (no heating though!!)

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