Wayne Rowley | 03/02/2022 13:55:46 |
14 forum posts 8 photos | Hi all, |
Howard Lewis | 03/02/2022 16:03:32 |
7227 forum posts 21 photos | A bench drill is NOT designed for the sideways loads imposed by millin, nor is the drill chuck.; A co ordinate table will enable holes to be drilled more accurately (or as accurately as that particular table and operator combination can achieve ), in terms of position. It will not transform a drilling machine into a milling machine. Neither the chuck, nor the bearings were designed for that use. If you intend to mill, save the money by not buying a co ordinate table, and put it towards a Milli which will have the co ordinate facility in three planes, and be designed and constructed for that use. Horse for Courses, and You get what you pay for! Howard |
Dave Halford | 03/02/2022 16:25:49 |
2536 forum posts 24 photos | Howard, Wayne wants it for drilling Looing to buy a milling table, but I need a good one, as when moved into position, for drilling several holes over and over in 40mm x 8m bar, and other metals for my wrought iron firm. |
Dave Halford | 03/02/2022 16:29:09 |
2536 forum posts 24 photos | Posted by Wayne Rowley on 03/02/2022 13:55:46:
Hi all, Wayne,
Give ArcEuro a ring |
Clive Foster | 03/02/2022 16:47:19 |
3630 forum posts 128 photos | Wayne Is that the blue one that can be got from several suppliers? If it is I'd be worried that the "same" thing can be found at prices from £110 (ish) to £270 (ish) with the rotating base and down to £70 (ish) without. Even the pictures are the same. My guess is its likely to be pretty good value for money at under £150 delivered but "some fettling" required. At least the basic castings and design look workmanlike sturdy. Some of the other affordable ones are just too much made down to a price so a degree of flippity flop has to be accepted. Clive |
Journeyman | 03/02/2022 16:53:12 |
![]() 1257 forum posts 264 photos | For multiple holes in multiple parts I would have thought that jigs or fixtures was the way to go. One operation on all parts and then change jig for next operation on all parts etc. Mill tables and winding handles is for one off operation (or at least just a few) John |
not done it yet | 03/02/2022 20:58:53 |
7517 forum posts 20 photos | If the holes are in line, one only needs the vise fixed and use stops. If not in line then a spacer wedge (to move the bar across in the vise) to drill another set of holes in a new line might be a better option? Personally, I would avoid using a swivel vise if at all possible. |
AJAX | 03/02/2022 22:38:09 |
433 forum posts 42 photos | Posted by Wayne Rowley on 03/02/2022 13:55:46:
Hi all, If I'm looking at the same ones as you, they look like junk and not suitable for production use. Not wishing to seen rude, but are you serious? I agree with the suggestion of hold downs, jigs and stops. You could even get an old multi head drilling table which comes t slotted and ideal for these jobs. They can be picked up cheaply. |
Wayne Rowley | 04/02/2022 02:03:41 |
14 forum posts 8 photos | Hi all, Thank you for all the posts. |
Wayne Rowley | 04/02/2022 02:46:24 |
14 forum posts 8 photos | Hi all, |
JasonB | 04/02/2022 07:03:37 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | The problem with most of these cross tables are that they are really a poor mans mill so you don't find too many made to industrial standards as they would simply have used a mill. Even the ones from the likes of ARC could move if you are whacking through 25mm holes and have 2m of bar hanging off the end, ok for some smaller holes on a short bit of bar. Even then I doubt any of those ones you list will gaurante zero movement Of the three on your list the Amadeal one would likely be the most solid, if you look at the length of the X axis dovetail ways on the Chronos ones they are probably not more than 70mm long based on the 90mm table. The Amadel is about double that so far less likely to sag to one side if you have along length of bar sticking out to one side . Also the Chronos one is a quite lightweight affairs at 5kg, my small machine vice weighs more than they do! The ARC one being based on the bottom of a small mill may not go back far enough to get under your drill's spindle and harder to bolt to it's table
Edited By JasonB on 04/02/2022 07:47:10 Edited By JasonB on 04/02/2022 07:54:53 |
Andrew Johnston | 04/02/2022 09:32:01 |
![]() 7061 forum posts 719 photos | The cart is before the horse. Before we can advise on what to buy we need to understand what size holes, on what size work, how are the holes placed and to what accuracy? Everything moves to some extent, so it is unrealistic to demand no movement. A cheap XY table plus swivel vice is inviting the wobbles with associated inaccuracies. Andrew |
Martin Connelly | 04/02/2022 09:44:49 |
![]() 2549 forum posts 235 photos | When I was at work I looked at this same situation but for drilling arrays of large holes in junction box gland plates, Ø16, Ø20, Ø25 and Ø32 in plastic, stainless and mild steel. We had a couple of large radial drills and a couple of Pollard drills available to use them with. The cost and weight of the industrial ones was prohibitive and in the end we swapped out one of the pillar drills and replaced it with a milling machine (Warco GH Universal style with morse taper spindle) supplied with a DRO fitted. We also changed from twist drills to broaching cutters. A couple of wide opening drilling vices with the jaws machined to have a lip to hold thin plates saved on messing with clamps. The electricians loved it and wanted to know why they had had to struggle with clamps and vices for so long. The time saved on the process rapidly paid for the machine. What you should also consider is how much time is going to be spent removing and refitting a coordinate table to a drill if it can't be left on all the time. Martin C |
SillyOldDuffer | 04/02/2022 11:59:18 |
10668 forum posts 2415 photos | Tricky one to answer, because I've no experience of putting a milling table on a pillar drill. I have tried a cross-slide vice on a pillar drill and it was a complete waste of money, but the tables Wayne is asking about should be better. Wayne has a 'very good big pillar drill',which should be less bendy than my cheapo drill. Irrespective of how well-made the table is, it's unwise to build a pagoda on top! Putting a table on the pillar drill adds height and reduces rigidity and accuracy. Adding a swivel vice to the table as well will make the problem worse. Whether reducing accuracy and rigidity matters depends on the job. If the holes have to drilled better than ±0.05mm, a tall set-up probably won't do, but it should do ±0.1mm. Designs are often changed to reduce the accuracy needed. Or the table is carefully used to make a jig and/or fixtures that position the job accurately for drilling. Jigs & fixtures are excellent for repetitive work because they provide speed and accuracy. Of the three tables listed by Wayne, they look similar to me but it's hard to tell how well things work from a picture. The XY locking is done as in this photo pinched from ArcEuro. It done by tightening a screw, in this example an Allen type, against the gib strip: The 4 gib adjusters are tweaked so the table moves smoothly from end to end without binding or wobble. Takes practice to get right, and may not be perfect on delivery. I guess they would all perform about the same. Things I would look out for:
Of the three:
Of the three, only the Chronos has a specification:
Not good compared with a milling machine, but I think representative of what you should expect of drilling tables. None of them come with clamps or T-Nuts, so budget for these as necessary. Which would I buy? Not the Chronos, because it's Imperial. Probably the ArcEuro because it happens that my drill platform is better suited to clamping than bolting down through U holes and I already own a clamping set. But if ArcEuro were out of stock, the Amadeal table would do. Not vital for me to save a few quid, so I'm not influenced by the AMA being a shade cheaper. If cash is short, don't forget to if check Post and Packing is included when comparing prices. In the event a dud table arrives, though ArcEuro has scored loads of customer service brownie points, the other two companies can be expected to replace or refund without much hassle. Beware of buying cheap from the Internet. Risky if anything goes wrong, for example buying an iffy factory second and finding the Terms and Conditions require it to be sent back to a depot in Germany at your cost... Dave Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 04/02/2022 12:04:08 |
peak4 | 04/02/2022 12:15:23 |
![]() 2207 forum posts 210 photos | Posted by Wayne Rowley on 04/02/2022 02:46:24:
Hi all, I'm not sure what you're using as a search term. Try "Milling Table" Edited By peak4 on 04/02/2022 12:18:39 |
John Hinkley | 04/02/2022 14:18:38 |
![]() 1545 forum posts 484 photos | They are available secondhand - at a price! Have a look at this one: EFI milling table for pillar drill It certainly looks the dog's danglies but quality and accuracy costs. John
Edited By John Hinkley on 04/02/2022 14:18:53 |
Wayne Rowley | 05/02/2022 19:05:41 |
14 forum posts 8 photos | Hi all, |
Baz | 05/02/2022 19:16:28 |
1033 forum posts 2 photos | As Andrew said earlier the cart is before the horse,we need to know what sized holes and to what tolerance the OP intends doing, let’s all hope he can share the information with us all so we can get a clearer picture of what he is trying to accomplish. |
Wayne Rowley | 06/02/2022 14:16:57 |
14 forum posts 8 photos | Hi all, back later, info some want for now. |
Wayne Rowley | 06/02/2022 15:05:41 |
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