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Bob Unitt 108/12/2021 11:35:53
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Does anyone know how long Phoenix 2-part Etch Primer remains usable for brush application once mixed, if kept in a sealed container ? I tried emailing them with this question, but no response sad

Robert Atkinson 208/12/2021 12:31:49
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Any 2 part paint is unlikely to keep for very long once mixed. Putting in the fridge will help. Some 2 part materials can be frozen once mixed to stop them curing. This is used for some ircraft sealants.

The Phoenix website says 3 hour pot life. Closing the lid will make no difference to this.

https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/60pq31

Robert G8RPI.

Adrian R208/12/2021 13:22:30
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On Youtube you can find a video from "Trev's blog" where he shows how to carefully weigh out and mix small quantities of 2 pack paint - OK that is automotive small, not model engineering small, but may still be helpful.

Martin Kyte08/12/2021 13:24:30
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One year if I remember correctly.

regards Martin

Bob Unitt 108/12/2021 14:33:05
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Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 08/12/2021 12:31:49:

Any 2 part paint is unlikely to keep for very long once mixed. Putting in the fridge will help. Some 2 part materials can be frozen once mixed to stop them curing. This is used for some ircraft sealants.

The Phoenix website says 3 hour pot life. Closing the lid will make no difference to this.

Robert G8RPI.

I thought that time-limit was just for spraying ? I know the 1-part primer is good for a month before it loses the ability to etch, and was wondering if the 2-part is just the components of the 1-part in a form which will last longer until mixed ?

Edited By Bob Unitt 1 on 08/12/2021 14:36:38

Oldiron08/12/2021 14:50:24
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Posted by Martin Kyte on 08/12/2021 13:24:30:

One year if I remember correctly.

regards Martin

Only when unmixed.

regards

Dave Halford08/12/2021 16:10:22
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Posted by Bob Unitt 1 on 08/12/2021 14:33:05:
Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 08/12/2021 12:31:49:

Any 2 part paint is unlikely to keep for very long once mixed. Putting in the fridge will help. Some 2 part materials can be frozen once mixed to stop them curing. This is used for some ircraft sealants.

The Phoenix website says 3 hour pot life. Closing the lid will make no difference to this.

Robert G8RPI.

I thought that time-limit was just for spraying ? I know the 1-part primer is good for a month before it loses the ability to etch, and was wondering if the 2-part is just the components of the 1-part in a form which will last longer until mixed ?

Edited By Bob Unitt 1 on 08/12/2021 14:36:38

Bob,

Think of it as a car body filler, once you add the oxidizer hardener the result is only altered by temperature.

1-part is ordinary acrylic paint and dries mostly by solvent evaporation.

2-part requires the hardener to be added to effect 'drying' and based on isocyanates it's very nasty to breathe.

The etch action is an entirely separate to the drying process

Steviegtr08/12/2021 17:52:47
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I think here the general rule is, only mix what you need. There is no need to mix the whole tin. I use 2 part products a lot. Fibre glass resin. Primers, & clear coat. I try & work out how much i need & then just mix a little more.

Steve.

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